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[BRIANSIELSKI]

Two [b:39dcf06f2d]exact[/b:39dcf06f2d] starting pitchers are availalbe, except one has a "*" rating and the other doesn't.

What is the cost differential?

Anyone have an idea what these numbers would be, and why?

Thanks,

Doc

[wavygravy2k]

The one with the asterisk would probably cost (maybe 50 cents more?) because he gets more starts.

[geekor]

pitchers salaries are based off their effectiveness times their expected innings pitched.

so a S6 * might be more closely priced the a non * S7 than a non star S6.

simple a non * can pitch 33 games, a * 41. take that times the endurance rating to get the expected innings pitched and divide the salary by that number and you get the expected effectiveness.

Of course those number are based on a neutral park and on the expectation of facing a certain number of RH and LH hitters. So then you still have to look at your park and the parks in your league, as well as the makeup of LH and RH hitters.

[BRIANSIELSKI]

Yeah, that's all fine and good ...

but if there are two pitchers [b:c6a0ec9f4e]EXACTLY[/b:c6a0ec9f4e] the same (except for the "*" rating), what would be their difference in cost?

I'm trying to figure how much that "*" rating is worth.

Suppose it's $1M.

To be effective, you get 4 SP*s at the cost of $4M.

But if I get 5 SPs .... I'm certainly not paying $4M for that 5th starter. He's more like $1M ... so I can potentially have $3M for other uses.

Doc

[hendrix08]

I don't know what TSN uses for their salary calculation, but based just on the # of starts you would get from at * vs non* pitcher then a * pitcher should cost 25% more than a non* pitcher with the exact same card.

[geekor]

Jeez,

I told you how to figure it out, so the math yourself.

[BRIANSIELSKI]

[quote:d2c1c3daef]I told you how to figure it out, so the math yourself. [/quote:d2c1c3daef]

Nooooooo ... you told me how to calculate the "expected effectiveness." I'm asking about the salary differential.

Doc

[geekor]

which is based on exactly what I told you....
jeez, can't you do division by yourself.

There is NO SET AMOUNT, it is based off projected innings.

if a 5 mil S6 non * SP somehow gained a *, he would now be worth 6.21 mil....

5 mil / 33 projected starts = .1515151515 mil per start. Now times that by 41 (the new number of starts a * gives him) and you get 6.21.

because the endurance rating (S6 or S7) also plays into that, its not cut and dry.

For example, Halladay is the highest priced * SP, but he isn't rated the best, Mussina is. Halladay is higher priced due the S7 over the S6, ie 1 more inning pitcher * 41 possible starts = 41 more innings pitched, hence the higher price. Mussina actually has the better card.....

Everything is relative to that card, TSN does not just day, he has a * tack on 1 mil more, it's relative to how many expected innings they will pitch.

So cut and dry, take the Endurance rating (ie S6 = 6 innings per game) and multiply that by the possible starts (33 non star, 41 with a star) to get the possible innings pitched. divide the salary by that number gets you the amount you are paying per innings pitched, which is the best way to compare pitchers.

[Mean Dean]

One thing that makes things a bit more complex is that the pitcher is generally not removed from the game until he gets tired, and whether he gets tired depends in part on how good a pitcher he is -- other than reaching his pitch count, the way he gets tired is by giving up hits and walks, i.e., by not pitching well. So, if you have two pitchers with the same fatigue rating but one is good and the other one isn't, the good one is going to pitch substantially more innings. If the difference in quality is large enough, he could easily pitch more innings than a pitcher with a higher fatigue.

Anyway, I have no clue whatsoever what this dude is asking for.

[BRIANSIELSKI]

I want to thank you guys for your input ... it is always appreciated. However, that arrogant crap is worthless.