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[ShakeyBoomer]

Wow, did Jose Bautista get screwed vs. RH pitching in the new set. A measly 20 hits and 44 TB's vs RH's. My keeper league teams are F!@#ed...

[Stoney18]

[quote:86c27b603b="ShakeyBoomer"]Wow, did Jose Bautista get screwed vs. RH pitching in the new set. A measly 20 hits and 44 TB's vs RH's. My keeper league teams are F!@#ed...[/quote:86c27b603b]

Really? Top 3 in total OB, natural HR's, plays a decent 3B and RF? I'll trade you right now! (that is, if we were in a league together :D )

[Stoney18]

In a neutral park I have him as the 3rd best card vs L and 5th best vs R. Not sure how that is going to hurt you.

BTW, I eliminated low ab players in the calculations.

[Ninersphan]

[quote:2b7405f746="blackjack57"][quote:2b7405f746="Ninersphan"]Yet again Start's technical brilliance shows through, I ordered both the download and the book on the same order and the download is not showing up where it's supposed to on the orders page. I thought about separating the order and next near i will, because it seems they can't seem to process and order that has both a physical component with a download.. VERY FRUSTRATING. :evil:[/quote:2b7405f746]

Don't shoot the messenger (me), but it said on the Strat site that if you ordered both with the same order the download would be delayed. Hopefully you won't have to wait long to download (probably tomorrow). It's obviously too late for you but those who have not ordered should place two separate orders if you want both and want to download right away.[/quote:2b7405f746]

Unfortnatly for me, I didn't read the desciption, especially not all the way to the bottm, just added both to my cart and placed the order.

I also suspect it won't be until Tuesday that my download becomes available. I bet no one is working the warehouse over the weekend and Monday is a holiday. :cry:

Stupid me.

[ShakeyBoomer]

Stoney - I could not disagree with you more about Bautista vs. RH's in a neutral park. No way he is 5th best in the set with that few TB's and hits. 44 TB's for a stud power hitter is pathetic in any year. They are always greater than 50. Also only 20 hits means he hits .250 or less vs. RH's in a. Neutral park. That's not elite either. tNot home now, but will list later a plethora of players better vs. RH pitching.

[tony best]

:oops:
Could someone please tell me what this ratings thing is?

[Ninersphan]

[quote:4c75b63327="tonysbest"]:oops:
Could someone please tell me what this ratings thing is?[/quote:4c75b63327]

Go here young padawan:

http://www.strat-o-matic.com/products/new-products

[qksilver69]

Shakey - you're discounting the high BB's too much in your thinking. To get a high OB like his in real life, on the SOM card you necessarily have less hits on the hitter card, so against extreme pitching in TSN 12-team leagues, yes the BA vs. RH of course will be low, but that doesn't hurt the card value much because the OB is so high. Just means he may be better suited to cleanup than 3rd if you value a high BA in your #3 hitter, but as Niners said, it's an elite card in the set no matter how you slice it, easily top 5 overall.

The low OB you're assuming will not show up as much in 24-team leagues or 30-team leagues (non TSN) where Bautista would face plenty of crap RHPs who would give him more hits. In this version of SOM, where we usually face a ton of good RHPs, it will show up more, but it's not a matter of him getting "gypped" IMHO. I own him in 2 keeper leagues, and looking at the card, I ain't complaining...

You might want to compare him to Cabrera. Cabrera hit a whopping 60 pts higher vs RH than Bautista, in a tougher park for HRs, and while Cabrera has 34 hits vs RH to Bautista's 20, their OB is even despite Cabrera having a higher OB than Bautista in real life, and Bautista has roughly double the natural HRs on the card.

[ShakeyBoomer]

Qksilver - This is a matter of whether Bautista is ELITE vs. RH pitching not whether he can be an effective TSN strat player in our 12-man leagues.

In addition, its not the hits that I am complaining about so much as the extremely LOW TB amount. 44 TB's vs. RH's is pathetic for an elite hitter. Good to great hitters always have 50+ TB chances on their cards. Compare Cabrera's TB's to Bautista's vs. RH pitching. [i:d5c007065b][b:d5c007065b]There are at least 40 players who have more TB's than Bautista vs. RH pitching in the new set.[/b:d5c007065b][/i:d5c007065b]

Moreover, Bautista hit .298 and slugged .589 vs. RH pitching in 2011. In a neutral or pitcher's park, Bautista will be lucky to hit .250 with that card. Elite hitters are much better average wise. In addition, 44 TB's in no way, shape or form, represents his .589 slugging. There are a substantial number of players in the set with a lesser slg. % vs. RH's in 2011 that have greater TB chances on their cards.

Lastly, to get a good season from Bautista in 2011, you are limited to the HR parks - period. He will be mediocre to poor in any other setting. For the year he had in 2011, Strat-o-matic did a piss poor job of representing his season given the fact that Rogers Centre is ONLY 1-13 HR's (not even close to best in the league) and the fact that Bautista had almost identical home/road splits in 2011.

Elite card he ain't...

[keyzick]

I tend to agree with Shakey...I understand the high OB argument, but replace some of those walks with hits (extrabase hits in this case), and it's still the same OBP, but I think more accurately reflects his AVG and SLG