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David Ortiz = $8.83M
Ryan Howard = $8.74M

HRs : 58 to 54 goes to Howard
BA : .313 to .287 goes to Howard
OBP : .425 to .413 goes to Howard
SLG : .659 to .636 goes to Howard
Running : 11 to 10 goes to Howard
Def : 4e13 to 5e30 goes to Howard
Bunt: D to C goes to ortiz

Are they saying Ortiz's bunting ability is that much better tow arrant the high price?

What gives with that????????

If Ortiz could play the field, I would say your anazysis was incomplete and there were factors you were ignoring. However, with Ortiz really strictly a DH and Howard at least passable in the field, it does not seem like Ortiz could possibly be more valuable.

Are you comparing real life stats?

If you compare the card data, you can see why Ortiz is higher rated.

I will just put a -O if Ortiz Wins and a -H is howard wins

vs L
SO - O
BB - O
H - H (by .2)
OB - O
TB - O (by 17!!)
HR - O
BP HR - Ties
CL - O
DP - H

vs R
SO - O
BB - O
H - H
OB - O
TB - H (by 9)
HR - O
BP HR - Tied
CL - O
DP - H

Although they are both slow, Ortiz actually has a steal rating, where Howard is nothing.

Vs L it's no comparison, Ortiz hands down. Vs R, its Howard, but not by a lot. The reason Ortiz isn't higher priced is because his fielding.

Now I like Howard more actually, because I like to use cheap DH's, and I like my LHH to be geared more towards R, but that's just me.

Another recent thread brought up the merits of Howard, Ortiz, Pujols and Hafner vs. Morneau. Here are their average performances in 10 leagues. The Ortiz and Howard numbers bear out geekors ratings post.[code:1:b1becc290d]

Avg. OBP SLG HR

Ortiz .266 .382 .629 59

Howard .275 .359 .592 55

Morneau .306 .361 .540 35

Pujols .306 .386 .649 59

Hafner .284 .400 .636 51[/code:1:b1becc290d]

You also have to adjust for park when comparing Ortiz and Howard's obp and slug stats. Howard played in a power favorable environment, Ortiz did not, so it's not surprising that Ortiz' card is slightly better offensively.

I have had both in 4 leagues, Ortiz has out played Howard 3 out of 4 times, Both average and power in parks that range from Coors to RFK.