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They're all about the player defense ratings and how they correspond to numerical values ranging from approximately .5 to around 3 I guess.

Does anyone know what the heck I'm referring to? If so, please furnish a link to it? Thank you!

You mean these?

[url]http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/btf/pages/basesim/stratfldg.htm[/url]

[quote:bdba74d2fb="Ninersphan"]You mean these?

[url]http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/btf/pages/basesim/stratfldg.htm[/url][/quote:bdba74d2fb]

Consider that a 2B that is 3e17 becomes a 4e17 with the runner held (as in any * runners), and a RHB at the plate. This is (of course) because Strat accounts for the fact that this man has to cover 2nd if the runner goes.

The 1B drops too. So with speed on base, your 4e21 becomes a 5e21.

I suggest you use [url=http://silenceisdefeat.org/~meandean/som/OffensevsDefenseinSOM.zip]my article[/url], which expresses the answer in terms of actual runs, instead of... whatever the hell that is.

[quote:2e39544ff5="Ninersphan"]You mean these?

[url]http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/btf/pages/basesim/stratfldg.htm[/url][/quote:2e39544ff5]

That's exactly what I meant. Thank you

[quote:3d2b8cdd37="DeanTSC"]I suggest you use [url=http://silenceisdefeat.org/~meandean/som/OffensevsDefenseinSOM.zip]my article[/url], which expresses the answer in terms of actual runs, instead of... whatever the hell that is.[/quote:3d2b8cdd37]

I don't possess the necessary software to read that. Anyway to read your stuff without the software?

[quote:9f05e778a2="bleacher_creature"][quote:9f05e778a2="Ninersphan"]You mean these?

[url]http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/btf/pages/basesim/stratfldg.htm[/url][/quote:9f05e778a2]

Consider that a 2B that is 3e17 becomes a 4e17 with the runner held (as in any * runners), and a RHB at the plate. This is (of course) because Strat accounts for the fact that this man has to cover 2nd if the runner goes.

The 1B drops too. So with speed on base, your 4e21 becomes a 5e21.[/quote:9f05e778a2]

Good to know. thanks

You don't have Winzip, or you don't have Word?

[quote:9a613e5fe6="DeanTSC"]You don't have Winzip, or you don't have Word?[/quote:9a613e5fe6]

Neither are working for me. I probably need to take a class on computers to figure this stuff out.

[b:1a59625118]derfs[/b:1a59625118]: A free unzip program is [url=http://www.altools.com/image/ALZip.exe]ALZip[/url]. Inside the ZIP file, you will find a Microsoft Word document, and a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet. To look at those, I would personally suggest you download [url=http://openoffice.org]OpenOffice[/url]. If you prefer, you can get Microsoft's [url=http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=3657ce88-7cfa-457a-9aec-f4f827f20cac&DisplayLang=en]Word Viewer[/url] and [url=http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=1cd6acf9-ce06-4e1c-8dcf-f33f669dbc3a&displaylang=en]Excel Viewer[/url] instead. (Note that you don't have to look at the Excel file unless you want to "play along" with the calculations and see where they come from. In fact, if all you're interested in is the end result that tells you how to figure out a player's offensive and defensive worth, all you need are the last two pages of the Word document.)

I will try to get it into a more easily viewable form in the future. I am working on revising the actual content of the article, so I'm not going to concentrate on that right now.

[b:1a59625118]quirks[/b:1a59625118]: I don't think that other chart is a useful way to rate players, for the exact reason you point out; knowing "H+E" and "TB" still does not give you an answer in terms of runs or wins, which, ultimately, is the form you need the answer to be in. The exact answer to your question can be figured out by using the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_expectation]Pythagorean expectation[/url], or even better, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagenpat]Pythagenpat[/url]. But as a general rule of thumb, it's going to be about 10 additional runs for each one additional win.