BPHR Chances Question

[hechojazz]

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Perhaps my confusion stems from inartfully worded instructions, but the "How To Read a Strat-O-Matic Card" info, as it concerns #BPHR symbols, reads as follows:

# -- Ballpark home run reading. An additional roll determines whether there is a home run or a flyout. Obviously, the probability varies by ballpark and whether the hitter is lefthanded or righthanded. The original result listed is ignored -- in effect, the result will be determined by "rolling against" the ballpark's home run rating (a random number from 1-20). If the number rolled is equal to or higher than the ballpark's rating for a left- or righthanded hitter, it is a home run.

Now, If the following entry is found on a pitcher's card, I can easily understand it in the context of that instruction:

#3- fly(rf)B

But, if it is this, how do I read it?

#2- HR 1-6
fly(rf)B 7-20

Isn't it the case, contrary to what is stated above (the original result is ignored), that if the roll for the BPHR chance does not result in a HR, that you would then do another roll, to see what the outcome is as between a HR and a flyball to right?

[CHARLESBELL]

No, the card result is ignored completely.

For example, lets assume you roll a # result and that you are playing in Dodger stadium and have a left hand batter at the plate: the BPHR # is 8.

So if HAL rolls a 1-8 its a HR. If HAL rolls 9-20 its a flyout.

[cummings2]

as always MR. charlie is right. The way I understand it the anatomy of the at bat for example you cited above ( #2- HR 1-6
fly(rf)B 7-20 ) would go as follows:

1st roll to determine on which column the at bat will fall (1-6)

2nd roll to the determine the result of the at bat (here's where we find the BPHR reading)- in your example the result of the roll would be 2

3rd roll (1-20) to determine if it is a fly (rf) or a BPHR

in case that the third roll falls on the BPHR reading there is a:

4th roll to determine if the fly makes it out and that 4th roll, as charile said is another 1-20...now if the BPHR comes from the pitcher's card and the batter is a W then you get a fly and all of the rolls are just to give the radio commentatos time to say "it's back, it's back it's goiiiiing....it's caught at the edge of the warning track, just one long out from Jason Kendall and the game is lost with the bases left loaded!" :D

[cummings2]

Also, I don't have the super advanced rules handy, but if memory serves me well there is a chance that if the 3rd roll falls on a 6 (in this particular example) that a good OF could steal the HR -if the outfield wall of the stadium where you are playing is shorter than David Eckstein.

[mesquiton]

Just to add to what Charlie said: Those "split" numbers on some of the BP# card rolls (e.g., #HR 1-8, flyout 9-20) are for the "basic" version of the board game, when "advanced" rules including ballpark effects are not used at all.

I think the #HR (and > singles) split numbers on the cards do reflect the players' actual stats for the season, regardless of the parks they played in. But the online game uses "advanced" rules, so as Charlie said the #HR card numbers are ignored, ballpark numbers are used instead.

[mesquiton]

I think it's exactly as Charlie stated, without the "3rd roll" mentioned by Cummings...?

[cummings2]

This is good stuff, I was under the impression that the on line version plays under the super advanced rules...you see, you always learn something new!

BTW here's the superadvanced HR robbing stuff:

14.5 OUTFIELDER ROBBING A HOMERUN (a super advanced rule): Whenever there is Homerun/Flyout split (from the cards or the ballpark chart) the outfielder's defensive ability may be challenged, and it can make the difference between a homerun or a flyout. The rule comes into play when you are rolling the 20‑sided die to determine if it is a homerun. If the last number in the homerun range or the first number in the flyout range is selected then the outfielder's ability will be checked with another roll of the 20‑sided die. Refer to the following chart to determine which outfielder has a chance for the catch:

Batter Bats-----Last number in HR range----First number in Flyout range
Left‑handed-----------Rightfielder------------------Centerfielder
Right‑handed----------Leftfielder-------------------Centerfielder

For instance, if the safe range is 1‑14 and you roll a 14 or a 15 on the 20‑sided die then you must roll the 20‑sided die again and refer to the following chart to determine the outcome:

OF's Rtg----HR-----Flyout
1-----------1‑3-----4‑20
2-----------1‑7-----8‑20
3-----------1‑11---12‑20
4-----------1‑15---16‑20
5-----------1‑19---20

Note: If the height of the wall (at the point where the fielder would try to make the catch) exceeds 10 feet then ignore this rule completely. The height of the wall we are referring to is the height in Left‑Center Field for a right‑handed batter or Right‑Center Field for a left‑handed batter.

[CHARLESBELL]

The 3rd roll you mentioned cummings2 does not exist. Remember, you ignore the result of the first dice roll and go straight to the ballpark chart and roll again. All that matters on the first roll is that you got a # result. Ignore the rest.

Appreciate the info on the OFer robbing a homerun. I'm not sure if TSN uses this super advanced rule but you are correct that if in effect there would be a roll for this if the conditions described are met.

[hechojazz]

Hmm...so, exactly how one should read the cards is a function of knowing which set(s) of rules are being played...and with this TSN online game, it isn't exactly clear which rules are being followed? Sometimes I would appreciate knowing what the specific rolls were that resulted in certain plays in the box score. I particularly appreciated a win I got against the Big Unit this week, when he issued three straight walks after an error at 3B put a runner on, walking home what turned out to be the winning run!

http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/2005/league/boxscore.html?group_id=9403&g_id=51

[cummings2]

Upon further review...re-reading the rules and going through my logic (as flawed as it is) You are absolutely right all of you. Indeed the result is ignored and there would be no need for the 3rd roll... 8)