If this guy makes it to the bigs, I wonder how strat will handle it? How good would he have to be before somehow the online game were changed to accomodate our ability to use him as he no doubt will be utilized in real life.
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The switch pitcher
by Valen » Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:22 am
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by RICHARDMILTER » Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:57 am
Thanks for the post. That is really interesting stuff. I had not seen that on ESPN or anywhere.
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by Phenomenal » Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:14 pm
Especially cool for me because my nephew played for Staten Island a couple of years ago.
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by DBROWN » Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:56 pm
I was able to see Venditte pitch several times and he was pretty good and your right Tori, he is a very nice guy.
As for the rule, and there is one, once the batter is introduced and is in the batters box he has "declared" and can't change which way he will bat. The pitcher doesn't have to "declare". Of course if there are any umprires out there to clarify that would be great to hear.
As for the rule, and there is one, once the batter is introduced and is in the batters box he has "declared" and can't change which way he will bat. The pitcher doesn't have to "declare". Of course if there are any umprires out there to clarify that would be great to hear.
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by robwrjr » Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:01 pm
[quote:4cca397aa3="ajbke5"]I was able to see Venditte pitch several times and he was pretty good and your right Tori, he is a very nice guy.
As for the rule, and there is one, once the batter is introduced and is in the batters box he has "declared" and can't change which way he will bat. The pitcher doesn't have to "declare". Of course if there are any umprires out there to clarify that would be great to hear.[/quote:4cca397aa3]
Wrong. Please see Official Baseball Rules: 6.06(b)
As for the rule, and there is one, once the batter is introduced and is in the batters box he has "declared" and can't change which way he will bat. The pitcher doesn't have to "declare". Of course if there are any umprires out there to clarify that would be great to hear.[/quote:4cca397aa3]
Wrong. Please see Official Baseball Rules: 6.06(b)
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by Phenomenal » Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:15 pm
Rob, I don't get your counter on that rule. Here is the rule as you referenced:
[b:c0f69ec5c8]6.06 A batter is out for illegal action when—[/b:c0f69ec5c8]
(a) He hits a ball with one or both feet on the ground entirely outside the batter’s box.
Rule 6.06(a) Comment: If a batter hits a ball fair or foul while out of the batter’s box, he shall be called out. Umpires should pay particular attention to the position of the batter’s feet if he attempts to hit the ball while he is being intentionally passed. A batter cannot jump or step out of the batter’s box and hit the ball.
[b:c0f69ec5c8](b) He steps from one batter’s box to the other while the pitcher is in position ready to pitch;[/b:c0f69ec5c8]
(c) He interferes with the catcher’s fielding or throwing by stepping out of the batter’s box or making any other movement that hinders the catcher’s play at home base. EXCEPTION: Batter is not out if any runner attempting to advance is put out, or if runner trying to score is called out for batter’s interference.
This rule states that the batter is automatically OUT for the illegal action of stepping from one box to another while the pitcher is ready to pitch. This rules reinforces the point that the batter declares which side he will hit from when he approaches the plate. If he tries to switch after the pitcher gets ready to pitch then he is out.
[b:c0f69ec5c8]6.06 A batter is out for illegal action when—[/b:c0f69ec5c8]
(a) He hits a ball with one or both feet on the ground entirely outside the batter’s box.
Rule 6.06(a) Comment: If a batter hits a ball fair or foul while out of the batter’s box, he shall be called out. Umpires should pay particular attention to the position of the batter’s feet if he attempts to hit the ball while he is being intentionally passed. A batter cannot jump or step out of the batter’s box and hit the ball.
[b:c0f69ec5c8](b) He steps from one batter’s box to the other while the pitcher is in position ready to pitch;[/b:c0f69ec5c8]
(c) He interferes with the catcher’s fielding or throwing by stepping out of the batter’s box or making any other movement that hinders the catcher’s play at home base. EXCEPTION: Batter is not out if any runner attempting to advance is put out, or if runner trying to score is called out for batter’s interference.
This rule states that the batter is automatically OUT for the illegal action of stepping from one box to another while the pitcher is ready to pitch. This rules reinforces the point that the batter declares which side he will hit from when he approaches the plate. If he tries to switch after the pitcher gets ready to pitch then he is out.
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by mfsleeze » Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:47 am
Venditte made his professional debut with Staten Island, less than two weeks after he was drafted by the Yankees in the 20th round. He pitched the ninth, and after retiring two batters and allowing a single, a switch hitter stepped to the plate.
That's hardly unusual. But it becomes intriguing against Venditte, a switch pitcher.
Things got a tad dizzying when designated hitter Ralph Henriquez, who had taken his on-deck circle swings as a lefty, entered the batter's box from the right side.
Venditte put his specially made glove (it has six fingers, two webs and fits on both hands) on his left hand, and got ready to pitch right-handed.
Henriquez then changed his mind and switched sides of the plate, because a batter sees the ball sooner when it is thrown by a pitcher using the opposite hand.
So Venditte shifted his glove to the other hand.
Then it happened again.
And again.
And again.
Apparently unsure of how the rules handle such an oddity, the umpires didn't stop the cat-and-mouse game until Venditte walked toward the plate and said something while pointing at Henriquez. Umpires and both managers then huddled and the umps decided the batter and pitcher can both change sides one time per at-bat, and that the batter must declare first.
The ruling favored the pitcher, since he gets to declare last.
About seven minutes after he first stepped in, Henriquez struck out on four pitches as a righty against a right-handed Venditte and slammed his bat in frustration. Staten Island won, 7-2.
"It's probably been a long, long time since he's seen a right-hander as a righty," Venditte said. "I think in that situation, I had the upper hand because he wasn't used to that. It's been a long time since he'd come in the game as a switch hitter and faced a righty as a righty."
It wasn't completely new to Venditte, who went 9-3 with a 3.34 ERA and seven saves as a senior at Crieghton.
"That same thing happened my sophomore year against Nebraska," he said. "But in that situation he got to hit off me right-handed, and I faced him lefty. He hit a line drive to center but it got caught, so I lucked out."
It's unclear what the MLB rule book says on the matter. While it's clear that both a batter and a pitcher are allowed to change sides once, the umpire's decision that the batter must declare first remains debatable.
"We're waiting on an official ruling on it," Staten Island media relations director John Davison said.
Pat Venditte Sr., who raised his son as ambidextrous from the age of three, said the Missouri Valley Conference had rules in place for such a situation. There, the pitcher had to show which arm he was going to pitch with.
"My first thought was, isn't there a rule to cover that?" asked Venditte Sr., by phone from Nebraska.
Justin Klemm, executive director of the Professional Baseball Umpire Corporation, said his organization was working with major league baseball to remedy the lack of a clear rule.
"We don't want to rush to any interpretation beyond what is in our manual," Klemm said, referring to the minor league umpire manual. "Obviously what's in our manual doesn't cover every situation. We want to be as fair as possible, but we're going to do that in a timely manner."
[quote:bc3af0283f][/quote:bc3af0283f]
That's hardly unusual. But it becomes intriguing against Venditte, a switch pitcher.
Things got a tad dizzying when designated hitter Ralph Henriquez, who had taken his on-deck circle swings as a lefty, entered the batter's box from the right side.
Venditte put his specially made glove (it has six fingers, two webs and fits on both hands) on his left hand, and got ready to pitch right-handed.
Henriquez then changed his mind and switched sides of the plate, because a batter sees the ball sooner when it is thrown by a pitcher using the opposite hand.
So Venditte shifted his glove to the other hand.
Then it happened again.
And again.
And again.
Apparently unsure of how the rules handle such an oddity, the umpires didn't stop the cat-and-mouse game until Venditte walked toward the plate and said something while pointing at Henriquez. Umpires and both managers then huddled and the umps decided the batter and pitcher can both change sides one time per at-bat, and that the batter must declare first.
The ruling favored the pitcher, since he gets to declare last.
About seven minutes after he first stepped in, Henriquez struck out on four pitches as a righty against a right-handed Venditte and slammed his bat in frustration. Staten Island won, 7-2.
"It's probably been a long, long time since he's seen a right-hander as a righty," Venditte said. "I think in that situation, I had the upper hand because he wasn't used to that. It's been a long time since he'd come in the game as a switch hitter and faced a righty as a righty."
It wasn't completely new to Venditte, who went 9-3 with a 3.34 ERA and seven saves as a senior at Crieghton.
"That same thing happened my sophomore year against Nebraska," he said. "But in that situation he got to hit off me right-handed, and I faced him lefty. He hit a line drive to center but it got caught, so I lucked out."
It's unclear what the MLB rule book says on the matter. While it's clear that both a batter and a pitcher are allowed to change sides once, the umpire's decision that the batter must declare first remains debatable.
"We're waiting on an official ruling on it," Staten Island media relations director John Davison said.
Pat Venditte Sr., who raised his son as ambidextrous from the age of three, said the Missouri Valley Conference had rules in place for such a situation. There, the pitcher had to show which arm he was going to pitch with.
"My first thought was, isn't there a rule to cover that?" asked Venditte Sr., by phone from Nebraska.
Justin Klemm, executive director of the Professional Baseball Umpire Corporation, said his organization was working with major league baseball to remedy the lack of a clear rule.
"We don't want to rush to any interpretation beyond what is in our manual," Klemm said, referring to the minor league umpire manual. "Obviously what's in our manual doesn't cover every situation. We want to be as fair as possible, but we're going to do that in a timely manner."
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by DBROWN » Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:50 am
[quote:c0e52e4838="robwrjr"][quote:c0e52e4838="ajbke5"]I was able to see Venditte pitch several times and he was pretty good and your right Tori, he is a very nice guy.
As for the rule, and there is one, once the batter is introduced and is in the batters box he has "declared" and can't change which way he will bat. The pitcher doesn't have to "declare". Of course if there are any umprires out there to clarify that would be great to hear.[/quote:c0e52e4838]
Wrong. Please see Official Baseball Rules: 6.06(b)[/quote:c0e52e4838]
Thanks robwrjr for the clarification.
As for the rule, and there is one, once the batter is introduced and is in the batters box he has "declared" and can't change which way he will bat. The pitcher doesn't have to "declare". Of course if there are any umprires out there to clarify that would be great to hear.[/quote:c0e52e4838]
Wrong. Please see Official Baseball Rules: 6.06(b)[/quote:c0e52e4838]
Thanks robwrjr for the clarification.
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by robwrjr » Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:53 pm
[quote:774d286085="SToNe_WaLLeD2"]Rob, I don't get your counter on that rule. Here is the rule as you referenced:
[b:774d286085]6.06 A batter is out for illegal action when—[/b:774d286085]
(a) He hits a ball with one or both feet on the ground entirely outside the batter’s box.
Rule 6.06(a) Comment: If a batter hits a ball fair or foul while out of the batter’s box, he shall be called out. Umpires should pay particular attention to the position of the batter’s feet if he attempts to hit the ball while he is being intentionally passed. A batter cannot jump or step out of the batter’s box and hit the ball.
[b:774d286085](b) He steps from one batter’s box to the other while the pitcher is in position ready to pitch;[/b:774d286085]
(c) He interferes with the catcher’s fielding or throwing by stepping out of the batter’s box or making any other movement that hinders the catcher’s play at home base. EXCEPTION: Batter is not out if any runner attempting to advance is put out, or if runner trying to score is called out for batter’s interference.
This rule states that the batter is automatically OUT for the illegal action of stepping from one box to another while the pitcher is ready to pitch. [b:774d286085]This rules reinforces the point that the batter declares which side he will hit from when he approaches the plate.[/b:774d286085] If he tries to switch after the pitcher gets ready to pitch then he is out.[/quote:774d286085]
Wrong. The question was, between pitches. So yes, the batter can switch between pitches. This is legal. The ready position for pitchers in on the pitching rubber.
[b:774d286085]6.06 A batter is out for illegal action when—[/b:774d286085]
(a) He hits a ball with one or both feet on the ground entirely outside the batter’s box.
Rule 6.06(a) Comment: If a batter hits a ball fair or foul while out of the batter’s box, he shall be called out. Umpires should pay particular attention to the position of the batter’s feet if he attempts to hit the ball while he is being intentionally passed. A batter cannot jump or step out of the batter’s box and hit the ball.
[b:774d286085](b) He steps from one batter’s box to the other while the pitcher is in position ready to pitch;[/b:774d286085]
(c) He interferes with the catcher’s fielding or throwing by stepping out of the batter’s box or making any other movement that hinders the catcher’s play at home base. EXCEPTION: Batter is not out if any runner attempting to advance is put out, or if runner trying to score is called out for batter’s interference.
This rule states that the batter is automatically OUT for the illegal action of stepping from one box to another while the pitcher is ready to pitch. [b:774d286085]This rules reinforces the point that the batter declares which side he will hit from when he approaches the plate.[/b:774d286085] If he tries to switch after the pitcher gets ready to pitch then he is out.[/quote:774d286085]
Wrong. The question was, between pitches. So yes, the batter can switch between pitches. This is legal. The ready position for pitchers in on the pitching rubber.
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