SINGLE**

[Neil Toomey]

What is up with this inning?? Again Derek Jeter's card...

*** BOTTOM OF INNING 2 ***
0 B.Phillips 2-9 Single (CF) b-1
0 1 D.Navarro 4-7 Walk 1-2 b-1
0 12 A.Guzman sac Strike Out b-0
1 12 D.Jeter 1-7 Single (RF) 2-3 1-2 b-1
1 123 I.Suzuki 2-6 Force Play (2B) 3-H 2-3 1-o b-1
2 1 3 K.Griffey Jr 2-11 Pop Out (2B) b-0

The dice roll for Jeter in this inning is 1-7. Jeter is facing John Maine in the bottom of the 2nd inning.

A 1-7 roll on Jeter's card against a right handed pitcher shows...

SINGLE**

Jeter comes to bat with runners on 1st and 2nd base. On the SINGLE** the runners advanced only one base. Why?

The advanced game rule book shows a chart on page 4 which defines a hit followed by ** as "all baserunners advance two bases only"

However, the instructions from the link on the player's card explains it differently... SI */**/CF -- The number of asterisks following the hits indicates how many bases the runners MAY (emphasis mine) take. If there is a position instead, then the runner may attempt an extra base at risk of getting thrown out.

I always took SINGLE** to mean that the runners advanced exactly two bases. Is there some obsure rule somewhere that I haven't found?

Thanks for your help.

[msheaf1]

It seems that the advanced version has all kinds of little extras to it. Taking extra bases or not seems to be one. So much for what you see on the card is what you get (pitcher clutch anyone?).

[RICHARDMILTER]

On Jeter's card 1-7,it does say SINGLE**, however in the inning summary that was shown to you it says SINGLE RF. When it says SINGLE RF it depends on runners speed, and RFs arm. But it would appear that that is a mistake, because you are correct that his card is SINGLE ** not SINGLE RF for 1-7. I am going to try and find his actually card in my set, and see where the mistake was made. Was his card translated wrong, or was the result of the card translated wrong? I do not know, but it would appear you have a valid point. There is no such thing as clutch pitchers. If two asterisks are present that means two bases, but if it lists a SINGLE RF then the RFs arm and base runners speed come into play. So either the card is wrong, or the result is wrong. Mistakes happen,....even in real MLB baseball. Or maybe the ball bounced into the stands and the runners had to go back,.....maybe that is a super duper, advanced rule I am not aware of. There does exist a crazy happenings super advanced rule sheet. I will have to dig threw my stuff to find it. I think it is a minor gaffe, on the computer's part. I say minor, but to you it is probably not so minor. Just picture the ball bouncing into the stands, and your runners had to go back. That happens all the time in real baseball.

[coyote303]

Obviously there is a mistake. Either Jeter's card should read SINGLE (rf) or his card was coded into the computer wrong (being coded as SINGLE (rf) instead of SINGLE**). Die roll could be shown wrong, too, but that seems less likely. A SINGLE** is base runners advance two bases period, end of discussion.

I didn't purchase the 2007 cards, so I can't look it up and see.

Coyote

[RICHARDMILTER]

I found the card, it is SINGLE**. So must be some kind of mistake.

[Neil Toomey]

rmilter,
Thanks for checking this out. I didn't have access to the actual card. So the "Single (RF)" in the game engine is incorrect.

coyote303,
Thanks for confirming your understanding of the meaning of SINGLE** is the same as mine.

TSN / Bernie,
Just curious how something like this could have happened?
Can we at least get Jeter's 1-7 roll against righthanders corrected in the game engine? I'd much rather have those baserunners moving two bases rather than having HAL gamble on my runner's speed.

[bernieh]

This is not a mistake. There are special rules not found in the board game which alter a small percentage of play results. An explanation can be found here:

http://somonline.bluwiki.com/go/Maximum_Rules

Your case is an instance of the [url=http://somonline.bluwiki.com/go/Maximum_rule:_More_baserunning_decisions]More baserunning decisions[/url] max rule.

[RICHARDMILTER]

I said that there are super advanced base running rules in an earlier post. Check out my first post on the matter. I do not doubt TSN. Although I thought a mistake was possible(we ALL make them). I was simply commenting on the fact the Jeter's card was in fact correct.
Thanks,
Bernie!

ps. Coyote was also correct that with the ORIGINAL board game, a single with two asterisks meant two bases.

[Neil Toomey]

Wow! Thanks for the links, Bernie. During the game I questioned my baserunning option was set to conservative. I'm guessing that this option may have been activated somehow during this play. Correct?

I wasn't doubting that there overriding factors on the play, just questioning whether there were any, because I couldn't find anything on it in my paper copy of the Advanced/Super-Advanced board game rules.

Thanks to all. Very interesting.

[robwrjr]

LOL, wow look at me, I am always right! Calm down man.

[quote:25d11a50a6="rmilter"][b:25d11a50a6]I said that there are super advanced base running rules in an earlier post. Check out my first post on the matter. [/b:25d11a50a6]I do not doubt TSN. Although I thought a mistake was possible(we ALL make them). I was simply commenting on the fact the Jeter's card was in fact correct.
Thanks,
Bernie!

ps. Coyote was also correct that with the ORIGINAL board game, a single with two asterisks meant two bases.[/quote:25d11a50a6]