need opinions on trade - veto?

[qksilver69]

Hi guys,

I am reaching out to the community to ask for opinions on a trade that was posted in a dynasty league I run. It's a (hopefully) benevolent dictator-style keeper league, so please only post if you've played in that format. League has been around for 5 years, never had to veto a trade or even put one up for review before, but this one has me concerned. Would like some impartial opinions:

Format: 12 team, DH yes, 200M cap (unlimited)
- 40-man rosters
- Owners can carry unlimited number of prospects but only hold rights to them for 2 years before they must be put on 40-man roster or dropped
- FA draft (pre-card) every spring (unlimited drops from 40-man, no minimum drops)
- Total 5 rounds of prospects drafted in spring & summer, prospect defined as never had an ML appearance prior to the new season

Team A gets: Mike Napoli, 2nd round FA pick (likely RP worth $3-4M)

Team B gets: J Niese SP, W Rosario (C prospect), 2nd round prospect pick

What I am looking for is:

a) does it look balanced?

b) if answer to above is "no", is it so unbalanced that it should be put to a league vote or even outright rejected by the league office?

Appreciate all constructive opinions.

Thx,
Qk

[visick]

Napoli is a MONSTER for the next set.

Niese, at best, is a back of the rotation SP. Prospects, well are just, prospects.

I don't like it. Especially with the 2nd round FA pick included.

visick

[mbertolli]

And I thought a trade in my 24 team keeper was bad (R.Tejada for David Price) I think this one might be worse.

No way this should be allowed!

Mike.

[thisisray]

Unless Team B knows something we don't know it doesn't look like a balanced trade.

[Mr Baseball World]

My philosophy regarding trades in these types of leagues is that you need to give REALLY WIDE latitude to guys to make deals. Vetos are only for deals where there is absolutely no way to justify the deal. Here, if Niese improves(the Yankees are interested in him though will probably stay with the Mets) and Cordero pans out and the prospect pick is used wisely while Napoli regresses back to numbers from previous years, 5 years from now we could be talking about what a steal this deal was for the "other" side.

Factors that could also play a role would be whether Napoli was offered league wide or it was an out of the blue deal. Also if there was any owner connection between the two owners(brothers). Ultimately though see it as a guy making a deal that he sees as helping his team/ betting on the long term payoff.

[Mr Baseball World]

.....to be clear.......I think this falls well within the allowable range. Maybe not a deal that I would do but can see the thinking that would cause someone to be willing to do so.

[MrHacktastic]

with no salary cap I think this deal isn't as bad as it would be otherwise. Seems easy enough to replace Napoli so I don't see a problem although I would do the deal myself. The deal looked much worse to me till I looked at your league specifications.

[durantjerry]

I was the recipient of a trade where every other manager in the league, including the trade offerer, petitioned Bernie to vetoe the trade(he didn't) made to me. The trade was not balanced. The person making the trade had made a few other offers to get a closer and all were refused. There were no FA closers and I only gave up my closer(the best) because he overpaid and I didn't think I could win as constituted. I did get more talent back, but I still had no closer after the trade, which no one seemed to consider. The other person involved in making the trade thought his team was a closer away. We all disagreed, but that was his thinking and that's how bad trades are made in SOM and real life. Some trades are so obviously bad that every one except the trader realizes it sucks. If the guys involved are satisfied and you trust that they are not purposely compromising the integrity of the league, I don't see how you can negate it regardless of whether it is balanced or not. By the way, neither of us made the postseason.

[Jerlins]

You can't just look at a trade on paper before judging. Many questions need answering. Does the player with Napoli have other options at the catcher position, short on pitching depth, or a year or two away from being competitive?

I'd shop Napoli around if I had him, but maybe he did and found no takers, or any offer wasn't as good in his opinion. Maybe he thinks in a year or two Rosario can become a Napoli type player, and if so, has a player 9 years younger. If he has confidence in his ability to identify prospects before most folks have heard about them, then why not get a #2?

My thought on vetoing trades is that if it's not apparent that collusion of any kind is involved, then no one has the right to veto any trade. A similar trade in 2010 (though different positions) Dunn, (any SP) and #2 prospect for Trumbo and #2 FA pick. Similar stats, similar players, similar "on paper" discrepancy. Who ended up with the better end?

Tell the other players if they think so highly of your end, that Napoli is on the block and see if they can come up with a better deal. I'll bet 75% of them back off.

[Ninersphan]

Just to clarify, Napoli was shopped to the whole league, several offers were made by different managers and the deal presented in this thread is the one that was accepted. The rest of the roster foe the team trading Napoli is as follows:

Bailey, Andrew
Alvarez, Pedro
Avila, Alex
Aybar, Erick
Beachy, Brandon
Blanks, Kyle
Bourjos, Peter
Chacin, Jhoulys
Chapman, Aroldis
Chisenhall, Lonnie
Conger, Hank
Davis, Ike
Donald, Jason
Fielder, Prince
Gardner, Brett
Garza, Matt
Hechevarria
Jurrjens, Jair
Kendrick, Howard
Kennedy, Ian
Kimbrel, Craig
Kinsler, Ian
LeCure, Sam
Markakis, Nick
Marmol, Carlos
Maybin, Cameron
Moustakas, Mike
Napoli, Mike
Rasmus, Colby
Romo, Sergio
Santana, Ervin
Trout, Mike
Walden, Jordan
Wilson, C.J.
Wood, Travis
Young, Michael

Plus these prospects
Amarista Alexi 2B LAA
Betances Dellin SP NYY
Chatwood Tyler SP LAA
Cole Gerrit SP UCLA
D'Arnaud Travis C TOR
Myers Wil C/OF KC
Profar Jurickson SS TEX


I didn't agree with the veto of this deal and don't agree with veto's in general in keeper leagues.