Hey, I'm cutting back. Only two new teams this week. Only 5 free credits left, but I did get ring 19 last night. First time Nev and I ever met in the finals. And he did avoid a sweep. :wink:
So far I believe we also have Adrian, Nev, OT, PBTR?, and Rob?.
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by The Last Druid » Sun Nov 20, 2005 5:57 pm
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by Munich_Man » Sun Nov 20, 2005 6:10 pm
I don't want to go on any ego trips either, I just want to go head-to-head with great competition, and those who want great competition.
I liked the format you set up Charlie.
I liked the format you set up Charlie.
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by The Last Druid » Sun Nov 20, 2005 6:17 pm
Gee and I thought bragging was half the fun. After all, I learned it from MM's bragging thread.
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by edbazo » Sun Nov 20, 2005 7:50 pm
Kudos to Charlie.
There is no shortage of great competitors around here, but the premise of some of the leagues turning up lately makes me laugh. It's really turning into an elitist thing; and if there's one thing I'm not, it's elite. :)
I enjoy competing in any old league (or competition) that comes along, with everyone on an even footing. When I read the rules and come away with the impression that it's a competition between the REALLY good owners, and the rest of us are welcome to fill out the league, ummm, no thanks. I mean, 70M for the good managers? Come on.
OK, I'm sure I'm overreacting, but hopefully you can see what I mean. Sorry if I'm stepping on any toes.
There is no shortage of great competitors around here, but the premise of some of the leagues turning up lately makes me laugh. It's really turning into an elitist thing; and if there's one thing I'm not, it's elite. :)
I enjoy competing in any old league (or competition) that comes along, with everyone on an even footing. When I read the rules and come away with the impression that it's a competition between the REALLY good owners, and the rest of us are welcome to fill out the league, ummm, no thanks. I mean, 70M for the good managers? Come on.
OK, I'm sure I'm overreacting, but hopefully you can see what I mean. Sorry if I'm stepping on any toes.
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by The Last Druid » Sun Nov 20, 2005 11:36 pm
Ed,
I agree with PBTR's comment. Things are getting complicated. You offer Kudos to Charlie and then take issue with the 70M for the three managers as elitist.
When I brought up the idea for the leagues it was me against Charlie. 10 leagues, all 80M, five frenzy, five waivers. I didn't care who got involved as long as the two of us were in the same division. Every time.
MM jumped in and wanted to make it a triumvarate. Fine by me. Hard to find a tougher competitor than MM or a nicer guy.
Then ideas were discussed about who should be the fourth in the division. Also fine, let's make it as hard as possible.
But the whole point of my creating the league was me vs. Charlie. Truly a feud. Any and everything beyond that was tangential, at least for me.
The conditions you cite as "elitist" were all unilaterally created by Charlie. Without any input from me. I didn't take issue with the 70M cap, as my bigger issue was the $60 M cap. Nor was the three championships to be eligible for league my idea. Ironically, in post after post I have argued against elitism. In fact that stance led to my initial schism with Penngray, prior to which Charlie and I were actually friendly.
Quite frankly one can easily fill several leagues with top managers, none of whom is remotely a lock for anything. I'd be happy to play against anyone mentioned on this thread for the ten seasons.
And make no mistake, I did not and do not support the different caps for myself, MM or Charlie. In fact the idea horrified me. I don't think any of the top managers could reliably win with that handicap. Finally, it there is a "best manager" out there, it would be the same situation that applied to the real Petrosian when he was world chess champion. The phrase used then was something like [i:0af1fb57dd]Primus inter parus[/i:0af1fb57dd]. I believe that translates to first among equals.
I agree with PBTR's comment. Things are getting complicated. You offer Kudos to Charlie and then take issue with the 70M for the three managers as elitist.
When I brought up the idea for the leagues it was me against Charlie. 10 leagues, all 80M, five frenzy, five waivers. I didn't care who got involved as long as the two of us were in the same division. Every time.
MM jumped in and wanted to make it a triumvarate. Fine by me. Hard to find a tougher competitor than MM or a nicer guy.
Then ideas were discussed about who should be the fourth in the division. Also fine, let's make it as hard as possible.
But the whole point of my creating the league was me vs. Charlie. Truly a feud. Any and everything beyond that was tangential, at least for me.
The conditions you cite as "elitist" were all unilaterally created by Charlie. Without any input from me. I didn't take issue with the 70M cap, as my bigger issue was the $60 M cap. Nor was the three championships to be eligible for league my idea. Ironically, in post after post I have argued against elitism. In fact that stance led to my initial schism with Penngray, prior to which Charlie and I were actually friendly.
Quite frankly one can easily fill several leagues with top managers, none of whom is remotely a lock for anything. I'd be happy to play against anyone mentioned on this thread for the ten seasons.
And make no mistake, I did not and do not support the different caps for myself, MM or Charlie. In fact the idea horrified me. I don't think any of the top managers could reliably win with that handicap. Finally, it there is a "best manager" out there, it would be the same situation that applied to the real Petrosian when he was world chess champion. The phrase used then was something like [i:0af1fb57dd]Primus inter parus[/i:0af1fb57dd]. I believe that translates to first among equals.
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by edbazo » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:47 am
Yeah, that was back when the Soviets were trading off the championship among themselves; there was no other real competition for them. Tal, Smyslov, Petrosian, etc. The Soviets decided among themselves who would play for the championship.
I did not mean to imply that the original concept here was elitist; in fact, I don't think I cited any specifics. I understood this to be a grudge match; I think it just got a little out of control. :)
Guess I was mostly responding to the sense that I get from some of the leagues being put together nowadays that unless you are near the top of the leaderboard, you aren't worth playing with. And the 70M cap triggered me. ;)
I did not mean to imply that the original concept here was elitist; in fact, I don't think I cited any specifics. I understood this to be a grudge match; I think it just got a little out of control. :)
Guess I was mostly responding to the sense that I get from some of the leagues being put together nowadays that unless you are near the top of the leaderboard, you aren't worth playing with. And the 70M cap triggered me. ;)
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