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Postby nevdully's » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:28 pm

[quote:c6f897e4b2]Granted, its not easy to separate our 'perception' from reality- [b:c6f897e4b2]but a lot of us do notice repeated 'trends' in this game that just dont seem to make sense.[/b:c6f897e4b2]

The question is, whats the added value in keeping the 'code' mysterious?
Would it take away from our enjoyment of the game if we actually knew how things were processed?
My guess is that for some it might; but its also less fun when we see things that seem to defy common sense... [/quote:c6f897e4b2]

Well said.

To clear things up for the guys that weren't here way back when. The normalization that was on, then turned off, applied only to HRs. As ballplayers approached a pace that was to exceed the magic 61 HR
mark Homeruns rolled were turned into something else (outs, triples, singles, no one knew, to the best of my recollection) but they were not Hrs...I had Foxx with 52 at the break and he hit 9 more the rest of the year.

After much discussion, [b:c6f897e4b2]remember we were told it was not on[/b:c6f897e4b2], despite many of us noticing these repeated trends (like Salt states now) it was [b:c6f897e4b2]finally acknowledged[/b:c6f897e4b2] and then turned off..

Told similar to what some say now "who cares it affects everyone the same" but of course it didn't. If your team was built for power you were held down, the faster and better you hit your HRs the sooner normalization would kick in....Of course if you played small ball you suffered no such forced depression of your teams offense....It was imo a big rip off that costs cetain players here $$$$$ as their teams struggled towards the end of the season. Possibly missing the playoffs and losing a fair shot at a Title.

The good news is it sent a big swell of skepticism throughout the community and a long and loud cry for more transparency.... Slowly (very slowly) some better rules were written, dice rolls shown etc.....If some of the newer guys here knew our history they'd be a little more understanding of what it takes to get this site to move forward. To get straight, accurate answers....it's been an uphill battle....
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Postby Treyomo » Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:05 pm

I ran the normalization experiment to uncover it in ATG1. I used all nickel pitchers and all the best hitters. Several players were batting .420+ 1/3 of the way through the season, and a ton had over 30 Hrs. By year's end , no one hit over 70 hrs or batted over .390. The switch that was flipped on was essentially (I don't know the Strat terminology) to use real life stats as a regulator for ATG stats.

I've always been in the opposite camp from Nev, and we agree to disagree. My theory - there's enough talent in the pool, and enough competent managers, that the talent gap between teams isn't that large. A team that is 60-30 probably has several players overperforming and very few underperformers relative to what could be expected. If you have several overperformers, the longer that lasts, the more likely that all will slump at once, leading to a prolonged slump. Likewise, if I start 1-11 with 4 $6+ hitters batting below .220, I will eventually go on a hot streak when they start performing at their card. Do these happen in every case? No. But, in my opinion, probability states that more likely than not, most players will eventually approach their expected mean as the # of occurrences increase.

That said, I believe it is possible that some switches are still turned on that results in changing of the dice roll. Is it probable? No, but still possible.
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