Ty Cobb's cards

[OakAth72]

I fully understand the philosophy behind Cruiser's rationale and as laid out by PKB but maybe it is my ignorance in the card creating process that has me confused. Does Strat employ subtle nuances such as OPS+ (adjusting to players ballpark and league, {thanks Adrian}) in their algorithm when creating a card? I always assumed that it was mostly based on hard stats relative to PA.....this would certainly explain the mystery behind the two Cobb cards or why the cheaper Klein hits better than its more expensive one.

[andycummings65]

YEah OakAth, Klein's 1930 card has to be taken in the context that the 1930 NL Season was a quite an Offensive Outlier........9 NL teams batted over .300...........

There is no way for a 12 team strat league to equal the pitifulness of the 1930 NL rotations Klein and Hack and Bill Terry had the privilege of facing....... :D

[rburgh]

In 1911, when he hit .420, his one-year park factor (in Bennett Park) was 108 according to baseball-reference. In 1912, when he hit .409, his one-year park factor was 95. This is an enormous difference in park factors.

Strat used 10-10 (singles), 7-7 (HR) in 1911 and 8-8 (singles) , 4-7 (HR) in 1912. As PKB noted, the league batting average in 1911 was .273 and in 1912 it was .265. His 1911 card, where he hit .420, has 47.7 hit chances against LHP and 51.5 against RHP. His 1912 card has 55.55 and 54.45. So that's why he hits consistently better with the 1912 card.

Me, I'd prefer to suffer with the 1911 card and its 1(-1) in CF and +9 clutch both ways. That card also has .201 in isolated power vs. .175 for the 1912 card. I don't think it's particularly close, although the nearly $2 million in salary gives one pause for thought in capped leagues.

[rburgh]

That being said, my understanding of how they make the cards (mostly courtesy of Bruce Bundy) is that the 1911 card should have one or two more hit chances than the 1912 card, depending on how you account for the clutch differential. And the 1911 card is 1R, so it should be better against RHP (and worse against LHP) than the 1912 card.

But a far better guide than the player's actual stats are the card numbers (available from diamond dope \\ pool).

[macnole]

Yes, and this is the positive thing about a "community" of SOMO nerds such as we are.

All the more reason I think SOMO has missed the boat on social networking with this message board system. It (still) is not so good.

[Palanion]

Also keep in mind the opposing pitchers. The collective hits are divided among the hitter, the pitchers in the league, and the ballpark. So, in a season with a hitter-friendly park and lesser pitching, Cobb's card would have fewer OB units than the Cobb card that had a lower BA in a season with in a less-friendly ballpark with better pitching.

As bad as I am at Strat, I understand the game very well. OB units and then TB units are paramount throughout the game. Once you move past those, defense is next important.

I'm not looking at a player's raw numbers. I'm looking at his OB units, TB units, his defensive rating, and then his balance (not his 3R, E, or 2L, but in relationship to his OB*TB units).

For example, Pitcher A might have allowed 4 HRs in 290 innings, while Pitcher B allowed 12 HRs in 230 innings, and yet Pitcher B has fewer HR and/or BPHR on his card. Why? A deadball era pitcher (A) might actually have to own a BPHR on each side of his card to help simulate the actual results whereas a hitter-friendly era pitcher (B) might not need the BPHRs on his card.

[bkeat23]

If I don't have any SS on my team, can I get Cobb to play SS ?
:P :P

[WeatherNut]

Maybe as a 5e88. :shock:

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