Pricing for ATG III players

[CHRISTIANSTOUGH]

Someone mentioned that all the prices for players changed when ATG II came out, was there a method to the madness.

Is their any way to predict the changes in prices for players.


Should I just wait for Xmas and shut up?

[Valen]

The formula was adjusted to theoretically more accurately reflect the card's true value. I am sure that since then they have made further adjustments. Also, as they make adjustments in the game for say better bullpen management that changes the relative value of cards. Not sure if they look at utilization to see if a guy is always picked and thus assumed should have higher price or never picked and should have lower price or not. Doubt the formula for determining pricing would ever be made public.

[Quincy Wilson]

No way to predict. Prices were quite eratic In ATG1, far more than ATG2.
In general the prices went up. Examples on hitters below:
Gehrig $13.11 to 14.65m
DiMaggio $11.18 to 11.24
AAron $7.01 to 8.60
Yaz $8.56 to 9.61
Ruth $13.48 to 14.30
Bench $4.85 to 5.70
Dickey $5.67 to 5.99
F.Alou $5.16 to 6.56
Chance $5.47 to 4.94 Meusel $6.09 to 4.81 were examples of prices down.

[Quincy Wilson]

I hate to sound like a broken record as I have said this before. but I
think they made a mistake pricing ATG2 as they overvalued the Home Run
as evicenced by the plethora of small ball teams as time went on. If they
agree with that (which is not original with me) than I wonder if they will
adjust that in ATG3.

[GREGGZILIANI]

It would be make sense that the top pitchers of the game are at least as expensive as the top hitters. I dont think that is currently the case (i.e. Ted WIlliams rots on the waiver wire time after time). The only cure right now is to play in higher cap limit leagues in order to give you more options.

[childsmwc]

Pricing in ATGI did not reflect the actual card values, which is why there was major changes in pricing when we went to ATGII (note there was very similar pricing disparities between the 2001 game, compared to where the 2006 game is today). TSN has gotten there pricing model refined over time.

One of the most positive notes that I have seen in the 2006 product is that bad defenders are becoming usable (I routinely use a 3 at SS), because their pricing has been significantly discounted for their poor play in the field. I also agree that maybe a small shift in salaries out of the top hitters to the top pitchers is in order and also agree that HR's are discounted (this may be a function of the average park used by the community versus the average park assumed when pricing). By discounting HR's this also allows for all the "bargain" pitchers for pitcher parks to be available which makes the pitching park strategy so universal.

Clearly there is some refinement that can still take place, but I don't think you will see significant price changes for most of the existing players (less than $1 mil swing in price) except those with really poor defensive ratings (I know that ATGII priced them as DH's making them useless in 90% of the leagues we run).

Bbrool

[edbazo]

Which brings up a fundamental flaw in how the game is structured. The pricing is done for one set of rules; however, we are given many different ways to play the game. Hank Greenberg has a much different value in a DH league than he does when he plays the field.

With the addition of team subsets in ATG III, this will become more obvious... say, for example, that Yount is the only decent SS in some subset. His price should be higher. The pricing on the '69 game reflects this... players like Cleon Jones are priced substantially higher there than here, despite having the same card. Hitting is at a premium there.

Now this is not necessarily a BAD thing; perfect pricing in every situation can lead to some very bland drafts. Just an observation. :)