Thoughts on using the F ratings for pitchers

[guardian154]

That's interesting. Unless I am reading this wrong,
Seems if I want my SP to go longer I would want to set him to something like F7, but if the roll chances fall heavier on the batters card by doing that then I would want them at F8 or F9. It makes sense that if the pitcher is fatigued at F7, then he doesn't have his stuff and the batters would get more or better chances. This may not be a large issue at 100mil or lower but at 140mil + it becomes a blow out with the better lineups.

So if I want that even split on which the roll lands on, the pitcher vs batter, then I need to keep them all at F9.

I have 1 team where the pitchers were all set to F8. Seems 1 was not getting his fair share of rolls on his card. I will move him to F9 and see what happens.

[Valen]

Worth noting the wording of the setting is "don't relieve before f?". Not relieve as soon as reaches F?.

If you are set at F7 and pitchers is at F8 then logic should not relieve him. But if he drops to F6 technically HAL is not violating the rule because he has not relieved the pitcher prior to reaching the designated F? level. As noted setting to quick hook may get the pitcher out faster when the set F? level is reached.

I think the target of the F? rating is to allow managers to push their starters longer and limit how soon they get pulled. Another way of saying that is a tool to get pitchers who completed 30 games in the dead ball era to complete 30 games here. Though who knows what really happens under the hood.

Interesting nobody sees a problem with increased rolls coming from hitters cards as pitcher tires. But any talk of turning on clutch which works in reverse to increase rolls on the pitcher's cards in certain situations gets tied to the Miyan calendar.

[FUDU]

I guess where I'm a bit confused is when the odds of a dice roll change to favor a batter as opposed to the pitcher? What is considered fatigued enough for that to happen, anything under F9, if not then what F rating does that occur at?

Seems to me that it would be a little harsh for fatigue to set in at F8.

... and I think Nolan Ryan would have something to say about that.

[Valen]

It is my understanding that it begins with F8. And grows progressively worse. I have no idea what the actual splits are so this is merely for illustrative purpose but my perception it goes along these lines....

pitcher care - hitter card
F9 50 - 50
F8 48 - 52
F7 46 - 54
F6 44 - 56
F5 42 - 58
F4 40 - 60
F3 38 - 62
F2 36 - 64
F1 34 - 66
F0 30 - 70

[tbeaman]

I usually go with a blank which is f9 or f8. rarely go below a f8. A lot will depend on the salary of your league and how good your bullpen is. not sure if that helps but that is my 2 cents worth.


Tim

[Valen]

My understanding of pitcher clutch works somewhat in the reverse of fatigue.
This is why I think those who have no problem with advanced pitcher fatigue should have no problem with the pitcher clutch being turned on. A little more of the details of the mechanism need to be revieled but suspect it works something like this. Let's say there are levels of clutch which we will label Least clutch going up to CA,C2,C3,C4,C5,C6,C7,C8,C9 most clutch.

The feature would add the realism of how many pitchers cruise until getting in trouble and then they bear down, throw a little harder, a little sharper. Or it could be determined simply by comparing his ERA to his contemporaries.

Consequently the chart of dice rolls might look like this

pitcher care - hitter card
C9 68-32
C8 66-34
C7 64-36
C6 62-38
C5 60-40
C4 58-42
C3 56-44
C2 54-46
C1 52-48
C0 50-50
pitcher care - hitter card
F9 50 - 50
F8 48 - 52
F7 46 - 54
F6 44 - 56
F5 42 - 58
F4 40 - 60
F3 38 - 62
F2 36 - 64
F1 34 - 66
F0 30 - 70


Such a system would bring pitching back in competitiveness with offense. Not duplicating real life results becaseyou are still facing better hitters and pitchers. But definitely more realistic than it is now.

[sschu]

Valen and BJanssen (sp),

Does the "Slow Hook" setting have the same effect on dice rolls than the F rating does?

sschu

[FUDU]

Valen do you keep making a typo when you write "pitcher care" (and you mean to write pitcher card) or is pitcher care something I need to be aware of (like health care, lawn care or what have you)?

[dspeters5]

If you use the F ratings, and also use slo hook, lefty righty, blah blah, blah, you can mix HAL up. Use one or the other not both.

[Valen]

[quote:8db5ee8178]Valen do you keep making a typo when you write "pitcher care" [/quote:8db5ee8178]
:lol:
Did not realize was doing that. Switching back and forth between a standard old fashioned keyboard and a new one that is slanted and curved depending on which computer I am on. I think it is messing with both my brain and my fingers. Both are confused. :lol: