Why Big Priced Pitching Is a Waste Of $$

[danielz]

Not only do these games start out with 5 or 6 straight rolls on the hitters cards, but they are all successful hits or walks.
I guess my biggest problem is
Why after 21 pitches, and 6 straight rolls on the hitters card is the starting Pitcher fatigued?
Especially when certain RPs can throw 5 innings every other game

[honestiago1]

[quote:591a08f288="PotKettleBlack"][quote:591a08f288="honestiago"]Big $$ pitchers can dominate any lineup on any given day. Tony Cloninger cannot.[/quote:591a08f288]

I humbly submit the names of the men who have thrown perfectos:
AL
Cy Young, Addie Joss, Charlie Robertson, Don Larsen, Catfish Hunter, Len Barker, Mike Witt, Kenny Rogers, David Wells, David Cone, Mark Buehrle,
Dallas Braden, Philip Humber

NL
Lee Richmond, John Ward, Jim Bunning, Sandy Koufax, Tom Browning, Dennis Martinez, Randy Johnson, Roy Halladay

Special Note:
Amando Galaraga

Yeah, there's no Cloninger, but there is a mixture of high value pitchers, mid-range guys, and well, lower quality guys. So yeah, even a Len Barker, a Mike Witt, a Kenny Rogers can dominate, completely, on a given day.[/quote:591a08f288]

I meant in Strat. That said, Sid Fernandez once threw two no-no's in one season for me. I don't think that was an ATG league, though.

[ROBERTLATORRE]

[quote:cb1d707d4a="danielz"]*** TOP OF INNING 1 ***
0 R.Youngs 5-5 Strike Out b-0 F9
1 R.Henderson 1-5 Double (CF) b-2 F9
1 2 R.Hornsby 1-10 Home Run (LF) 2-H b-H bpHR 1-17 F9
1 J.Gibson 3-9 Single (CF) b-1 F9
1 1 M.McGwire 2-9 Walk 1-2 b-1 F9
1 12 M.Suttles 2-7 Triple (CF) 2-H 1-H b-3 F9
1 3 J.Dimaggio 1-6 Double (CF) 3-H b-2 F8
SUBSTITUTE P - Willie Hernandez[/quote:cb1d707d4a]

That could have just as easily been Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, Ted Williams, Pujols and Bonds going down 1-2-3 in consecutive innings with rolls in the 4-6 range.

[Valen]

[quote:3f57dee234]Why after 21 pitches, and 6 straight rolls on the hitters card is the starting Pitcher fatigued? [/quote:3f57dee234]
This is simulating real life. That means computer manager has to look at results in making decisions, not on an analysis of whether dice rolls were pitcher's fault or not. Just a limitation of the system.

[thaibill]

[quote:35c3c31310="Valen"][quote:35c3c31310]Why after 21 pitches, and 6 straight rolls on the hitters card is the starting Pitcher fatigued? [/quote:35c3c31310]
This is simulating real life. That means computer manager has to look at results in making decisions, not on an analysis of whether dice rolls were pitcher's fault or not. Just a limitation of the system.[/quote:35c3c31310]

Actually after giving up 5 runs in one inning or a total of 6 runs in 2 consecutive innings, the pitcher automatically becomes fatigued. Also is the rule in the board game.

[nels52]

There's no doubt that the immense specialization found in ATG 6 has lead to increased offense (not nearly as much as playing 100+ mil caps though haha).

Still gimme good pitching anyday. Over 162 games, good pitching will provide more consistent support. If such a paradox is possible it's ALSO the strategy I and countless others prefer in a short 7-game series.


Besides, these lineups are crazy. What is this [i:166dab5465]fantasy[/i:166dab5465] baseball? :wink:

[danielz]

*** TOP OF INNING 1 ***
0 M.Carey 1-7 Single (RF) b-1 F9
0 1 R.Carty 1-5 Walk 1-2 b-1 F9
0 12 M.Mantle 3-5 Home Run (LF) 2-H 1-H b-H bpHR 1-20 F9
0 J.Beckwith 3-4 Walk b-1 F9
0 1 A.Pujols 2-4 Home Run (CF) 1-H b-H F8
SUBSTITUTE P - Joe Beggs (role: Mopup)

Was Maddux pitching? Or Pedro? Maybe Kaat? Or maybe it was Ernie Andres?

Doesn't really matter, does it!

[george barnard]

[url]http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CAL/CAL197208260.shtml[/url]

Gaylord Perry pitching in his Cy Young year for the Indians. Gone after 1.1 innings, giving up 7 hits, 2 bbs to that great powerhouse, the 1972 Angels.

[coyote303]

[quote:bc39dceb33="danielz"]*** TOP OF INNING 1 ***
0 M.Carey 1-7 Single (RF) b-1 F9
0 1 R.Carty 1-5 Walk 1-2 b-1 F9
0 12 M.Mantle 3-5 Home Run (LF) 2-H 1-H b-H bpHR 1-20 F9
0 J.Beckwith 3-4 Walk b-1 F9
0 1 A.Pujols 2-4 Home Run (CF) 1-H b-H F8
SUBSTITUTE P - Joe Beggs (role: Mopup)

Was Maddux pitching? Or Pedro? Maybe Kaat? Or maybe it was Ernie Andres?

Doesn't really matter, does it![/quote:bc39dceb33]

Actually it does matter. The brilliance of the SOM game engine is its simplicity. It's easy to complain when the roll is off of the batter's card that the pitcher doesn't matter. After the roll, that would be technically true. But before the roll, the odds that a batter gets a hit or not is realistically adjusted up or down depending on the pitcher.

I also chuckle when people complain that pitching only matters 33 percent of the time since every pitcher has the same X-Chart chances. Again, technically true, but it normally only takes that 33 percent chance to realistically adjust the chance of a hitter getting a hit, walk, K, homerun, etc. The computer game (if the appropriate maximum rules are used) can actually sometimes make adjustments to fine tune the results when the 33 percent chance isn't enough.

A great pitcher should reduce all hitters' effectiveness and a great hitter should hurt all pitchers' effectiveness. SOM does this.

Here is what you could do instead. Have the computer generate a card based on who is pitching and who is hitting. In other words, generate one 6-column card for the combination of any two players. Guess what? In most cases, the results would be the same as they are now except the results would be jumbled over six columns.

Again, the simplicity [i:bc39dceb33]and elegance[/i:bc39dceb33] of the SOM game engine is often lost with the naive assumption that whoever is pitching (or hitting) doesn't matter 50 percent of the time.

[Honyox R Us]

I never seem to notice when these things happen in my favor. They only jump out when I get screwed. If you do have great pitching and it lands on his card 6 times to start the game, you're more than likely already into the 3rd inning w/your opponent skunked so far. The problem is, as an owner you don't seem to notice it, or at least think that you've lucked out.

I've given up on trying to make sense of it, along w/other frustrating issues that pop up over and over and over again. You just have to come to the realization that it's part of the game and decide if you want to continue.