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[LMBombers]

Even if what you say is true the good teams are not brought down lower than the bad teams or vice versa. The good teams would still have a better record.

If one team in the league is clearly the best team in the league bar none and your normalization effect is in place maybe they only win the division by 8 games instead of 18. I dont' see what the big deal is all about?

I just looked at some of my past teams and found a team that had a record of 100-62 and won the divsion by 15 games. I then looked at how they finished the season to see if they were being curbed (normalized down). They finished winning 9 out of 10 games.

[nevdully's]

Well I hear ya but a few things imo....Home field advantage in the playoffs (pretty significant) also are we sure nothing else is at stake, like a playoff spot in the first place...How about the people that would like the fun of winning 100+ or just winning *when they should* OR just getting the results that we've payed for, not some watered down normalized version pulling us towards mediocrity....Really is it too much to expect to know the rules we're playing by.

[nevdully's]

Just to be clear I'm cool with the fact that you don't think exists and cool if you don't care if you find out otherwise....the discussion is worth having. :wink:

[FUDU]

IMO nev's point seems to be more about the fact it could be an artificial normalization as opposed to what takes place in real life with real life circumstances, basically the human element. There is very little human element in nev's theory IMO, esp when talking about the best of the best managers here. IE: a good manager probably isn't going to change settings much if his team is 75-40, and even if said manager did and he went 5-10 soon after the good manager is going to alter his settings again to avoid the poor results.

This is a dice game based upon probability, and like a roulette wheel it all starts over with every roll. So to initiate any type of alterations to give it a more real human like feel is in fact questionable and to some maybe even shady to some point.

Until I'm rolling in championships and 100 wins season I can't get too concerned if this takes place, but it is a legit discussion if a long time user has some data to back up his point.

[dinsdale]

I do recall several years ago - like ATG I - there was a normalization discussion concerning players on a pace for over 100 HRs - HR Parks, cheap pitching league - and they never made it. Late season stats were bad. Someone setup a test league with the worst pitchers possible and I thought they proved normalization was on and I thought they turned it off. Or it was a all a dream - but I do recall something going on with normalization when ATG first came out.

[macnole]

Nev,

Seems to me you should just think of it as a "contribution". I'd call it a tax, but it really is for the better enjoyment of the community.

After all, you dont really need those extra 5 or 10 wins if you win the div anyway right? Redistribute them for the good of the league...seems fair to me.

Couldnt resist :P

Of course, not a complete analogy, as there ARE a fixed pot of wins to be had (zero sum), but economies are not a fixed pot of available growth.

Like Petrosian said, not sure how you would discern the normalization marker from the "natural" normalization. Or are you saying your teams are meant to be supernatural? :P

[modmark46]

Dinsdale, you are correct. That did happen/was proven. Back in the ATG 1 or 2 era.

[JOSEPHKENDALL]

[quote:8c4166f39d="modmark47"]Dinsdale, you are correct. That did happen/was proven. Back in the ATG 1 or 2 era.[/quote:8c4166f39d]

And Bernie said in one of the chats we had (was it only 1?) that it was turned off.

[jet40]

Team just finished up, started 40-41, finished the season with 6 wins in 18 games. The other 63 games I went 47-16.

[Salty]

[quote:1b0aceba2f="joekendall"][quote:1b0aceba2f="modmark47"]Dinsdale, you are correct. That did happen/was proven. Back in the ATG 1 or 2 era.[/quote:1b0aceba2f]

And Bernie said in one of the chats we had (was it only 1?) that it was turned off.[/quote:1b0aceba2f]

Just curious,
How does one 'turn off' normalization?
Did it get removed from the code entirely? or is it a matter of making a '1' a '0'?

Granted, its not easy to separate our 'perception' from reality- but a lot of us do notice repeated 'trends' in this game that just dont seem to make sense.

The question is, whats the added value in keeping the 'code' mysterious?
Would it take away from our enjoyment of the game if we actually knew how things were processed?
My guess is that for some it might; but its also less fun when we see things that seem to defy common sense...