Is it Okay to copy someones team???

[doug_tucker10]

There's probably more than a rounds worth of players you could draft with the first pick...

Ruth
Bonds
Hornsby
Pedro
Charleston
Speaker
Mays
Maddux
Mantle
Gibson
Foxx
T Williams
H Wagner
Cobb


I'm not saying they would all be ideal as first pick but can see them all going at the top depending on manager preference,strategy and history with using the player.

[honestiago1]

Feel free to copy any of my 75-win gems. :lol:

[Munich_Man]

[quote:2a7a91fd08="jamesgang77"] If someone had the money it would be a fun experiment, draft 2 entire leagues with same exact rosters, manager settings,and ballparks bet the results wouldnt be the same, maybe close for a couple of teams. [/quote:2a7a91fd08]
We did that back in ATG1 or 2. Same division makeup (we even entered the teams in the same order, same rosters, same rosters, manager settings, etc. I'll see if I can dig up the links to the two leagues.

[errormagnate]

[quote:e6799fc203="El-Saltman"][quote:e6799fc203="Valen"]I don't think any set of players inherently belongs to anyone. Thus whomever someone drafts is their team no matter who might have had them in previous leagues. You don't want someone else getting certain players then put them higher on your draft card.[/quote:e6799fc203]

I'm curious, does this mean if I develop my own unique strategy for a park or type of park, its open season and anyone who sees it should be able to copy it?

If thats the case, why be original? Why not just use the strategies that everyone is using already in play, and my way of winning will just be to study everyone's draft list and try and outdraft em, knowing who they picked for similar parks?
Kind of like advanced scouting.
I mean we could just make everyones draft cards public and make it a study issue.


Im asking for real...would folks really enjoy that?
(I would not)

PS- I like figuring out my draft order- thats fun, but keep in mind you only get 1 number 1 pick, and sometimes you dont even get that.
Ultimately imo its completely self-defeatest to compete over more than a few cards with someone in the current set.[/quote:e6799fc203]

I am too lazy to see what set off this thread but would add my $02. I only play theme leagues but every occasional I will go ahead and play an open league and usually do better. I have twice completely (or as completely as I could) copied a team that had been extremely succesful in another league - I am way too dumb to figure out how to make it compete for same players in same league and I always label it something like Copycats or Plagiarists. If they lose ( the usual) I figure it is just the random rolls and if it wins there is very little satisfaction because then I STILL don't understand why it was a good team so all in all it is kind of a waste of money. I dont know how one would copy another team in the same league because surely it had already drafted - I may be missing the point given my innate stupidity. Anyway to me it is far more fun to pick my own strategy ( and lose) than to simply copy a team and a park and not really have any clue why that worked

[supertyphoon]

Munich Man, here are your teams from the time machine:

[url=http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratalltime/team/team_other.html?user_id=15148]Munich Biermeisters 42[/url]


[url=http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratalltime/team/team_other.html?user_id=14922]Munich Biermeisters 41[/url]

My teams were the Guam Geckos (#1) and Guam Typhoons (#2). Great idea, lots of fun.

[Treyomo]

That was a fun league despite my crappy teams. Some big differences - one team scored almost 100 runs more than the other - had 4 guys finish with 80+ OPS differences one league vs the other.

As far as copying teams - I don't like the idea of exactly copying, but I can understand using the core (5-6 position players, 2-3 SPs, 2-3 RPs) from someone else and adding your own tweak with a couple guys you think might be a better fit.

[Valen]

[quote:eb45af6c6c]Ultimately imo its completely self-defeatest to compete over more than a few cards with someone in the current set. [/quote:eb45af6c6c]
I agree, in fact some of my worst teams resulted from trying to repeat one of my own championship teams. The dynamics of a draft make it impossible to duplicate any exact 25 players if they are worth having.

But I feel it is anyone and everyone's right to take a defeatist approach if they desire. Everyone pays the same for a team and they have the right to put anyone on their draft card they want in any order they want derived by whatever method they want. No card or set of cards belongs to anyone. To say someone copied "my" team is to imply that I "own" those cards which I do not. My right to them ends when the season completes. Next league every card is up for grabs and fair game.

Eric Davis is on a fair amount of my teams. Does that mean you are not allowed to draft him? Ditto Vince Coleman? I have seen a number of cards I like to use show up on the rosters of some who complain loudly about copying. Does that mean they should give those cards back to me?

If you don't want someone to have any given card then draft that card higher and they get stuck with a lousy compensation due to the flawed autodraft. Copy problem solved.

[motherscratcher]

I don't know. It's legal to copy, I guess, but I think there is a bit of an unwritten rule not to do it, especially if you end up in the same league as the manager who's team you're copying. If there wasn't something at least a little wrong with it then there would have been no need for the guy who did it to lie about it.

I don't now what kind of satisfaction you'd get out of it anyway.

My first team was a mess. I had no idea what I was doing. Before the season started I threw it up on the board and the guys here pretty much changed the whole team. I ended up going 92-70 and losing in game 7 of the world series. But, especially during the playoffs, I kind of had a guilty feeling the the team wasn't mine and I was kind of cheating the other guys.

Since then, I've asked for pointers, but I've not constructed a team on the boards like that first one. I feel like my teams are mine.

Now, I do admit to looking very closely at other teams that are posted in threads, even to the point of printing them out to study them and compare them. I like to see what players are used routinely in what parks and who plays well/poorly. I have excel spreadsheets with a few teams in construction and a bunch of players with differeing salaries that might work for particular parks that I can put in and out of a lineup. But, I don't consider that copying as much as just doing research.

Maybe that's a gray area. I don't know.

[PotKettleBlack]

Imitation is flattery. And you see, in the real world, good team strategy copied left and right.

That's what causes strategy to evolve. Someone innovates (or renovates) and it either flies (west coast offense) or dies (run and shoot). Then, a period where everyone copies the flier, adds their own wrinkle to it, and then the opposition catches up (Tampa Two).

[Valen]

[quote:0194bee6a9]If there wasn't something at least a little wrong with it then there would have been no need for the guy who did it to lie about it. [/quote:0194bee6a9]
All we really have there is accusations, not proof. I do not doubt the sincerity of those who believe they are guilty but sincerity is not proof.

And it should be obvious by now I do not believe in unwritten rules.

[quote:0194bee6a9]I like to see what players are used routinely in what parks and who plays well/poorly.[/quote:0194bee6a9]
And if you come to the conclusion that a certain card performs well in whatever park and decide to use that player is it copying? Of course it is. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. As Pot noted success get imitated until adjustments make it not successful. I'll show my age. Before the West Coast there was the wishbone, followed by the flexbone. How often do you see either offense now.

There was a basketball coach at Arkansas who had a lot of success winning a national title and almost winning a second. Someone asked him what he attributed his success to. Without hesitation he stated he was no smarter than anyone else. All he did was look at what was working for other teams and copy his but off.

And besides, if the autodraft really is the skill based thing many claim it would be impossible to copy anyone because the expert would just outdraft the copyer and he would get nobody he wanted. :lol: