DROP/ADDS AS PART OF TRADE STRUCTURE

[andycummings65]

Trades are too hard to make work in the current constraints we have.
As I have said before, I would love to see a way to have drops as part of a trade. I dont know how many times i have tried to offer a trade, but cant make the money work out.

[b:1378c999bd]BUT[/b:1378c999bd], if i could [b:1378c999bd]drop/add players as [i:1378c999bd]part of a trade[/i:1378c999bd][/b:1378c999bd], it would make trading a lot easier.

If I wanted to trade Chino Smith(9.25) for Frank Robinson(9.45), but I dont have .20m in Cash Available, it wouldnt work. But if I could drop my backup 2b, Irv Hall(.80) and pick up Duane Kuiper(.58) as [b:1378c999bd]PART [/b:1378c999bd]of the trade, then the money would work. IT would be just a part of the trade page---"Drop/Add players as part of this trade offer here", or something
Hall is a better defender and I would not want to drop him for Kuiper if the manager didnt accept the trade, hence the reason of [b:1378c999bd]including [/b:1378c999bd]the drop/add in the trade. The drop/add goes down simulatneously as the trade, so there is no problem with the $$$

[mrharryc]

This would be a splendid improvement!

[PotKettleBlack]

[quote:bfeeda21c8="mrharryc"]This would be a splendid improvement![/quote:bfeeda21c8]

Hear, Hear.

[andycummings65]

Or could be used when trading a position player for a Starting pitcher. Many times this will result in an illegal trade by relegating one team to only 4 SPs, which is against roster rules.

To trade, say, Greg Maddux for Honus Wagner, I would have to find a SP on the opposing manager's team, then find a position player on my team and [b:10e48f4bcf]HOPE [/b:10e48f4bcf]that the salary works out, and [b:10e48f4bcf]ALSO HOPE[/b:10e48f4bcf] that the added players to the deal dont make it disagreeable to the opposing manager.

But if I could trade Greg Maddux to another manager for Honus Wagner, while [b:10e48f4bcf]simultaneously [/b:10e48f4bcf]dropping Ernie Andres and picking up Tim Conroy, the trade would not be illegal and could be consummated.

[bontomn]

Great suggestion! Hope Bernie will mark it on his future "to do" list.

[Muadib1950]

[quote:6299730b14="andycummings65"]Or could be used when trading a position player for a Starting pitcher. Many times this will result in an illegal trade by relegating one team to only 4 SPs, which is against roster rules.

To trade, say, Greg Maddux for Honus Wagner, I would have to find a SP on the opposing manager's team, then find a position player on my team and [b:6299730b14]HOPE [/b:6299730b14]that the salary works out, and [b:6299730b14]ALSO HOPE[/b:6299730b14] that the added players to the deal dont make it disagreeable to the opposing manager.

But if I could trade Greg Maddux to another manager for Honus Wagner, while [b:6299730b14]simultaneously [/b:6299730b14]dropping Ernie Andres and picking up Tim Conroy, the trade would not be illegal and could be consummated.[/quote:6299730b14]

That is INDEED an excellent suggestion ... now why didn't I think of that, several of us are no doubt saying!

Only drawback I can think of now is the little bit of back-and-forth confirmation process to include these auxiliary FA deals. Seems each GM would have to have the opportunity to augment a deal that way ... or proactively decline to do so.

[andycummings65]

Jon, my suggestion really doesnt take that into account. In fact, the FA moves in conjunction with trade offers would be totally up to [b:97fdc037f3]you[/b:97fdc037f3], not really the business of the other manager at all. All the FA drop/adds do is give more flexibility to make offers. It would be no different than offering a trade now. Either it says "Do you want to send this offer" or "this trade would put you/opposing manager over the cap by $$". The trade would automatically work roster-wise and dollar-wise for the manager you offer it to because it has passed the roster and dollar requirements of the trade application. It would have to be a legitimate trade offer for the trade application to work correctly.

I suppose if the opposing manager wants to amend it, he could make that request, but it is certainly not necessary to make my suggestion work.

[AeroDave10]

[quote:4e28776b92="bontomn"]Great suggestion! Hope Bernie will mark it on his future "to do" list.[/quote:4e28776b92]

I wholeheartedly agree. Andy, you have a great idea, but like many others, if it doesn't make it past the TSN "cutting room floor", it won't mean much. I'm not sure what has to be done to make this higher on the priority list, but I'll support whatever it takes for that to happen.

[Muadib1950]

[quote:f5c0e27bc6="andycummings65"]Jon, my suggestion really doesnt take that into account. In fact, the FA moves in conjunction with trade offers would be totally up to [b:f5c0e27bc6]you[/b:f5c0e27bc6], not really the business of the other manager at all. All the FA drop/adds do is give more flexibility to make offers. It would be no different than offering a trade now. Either it says "Do you want to send this offer" or "this trade would put you/opposing manager over the cap by $$". The trade would automatically work roster-wise and dollar-wise for the manager you offer it to because it has passed the roster and dollar requirements of the trade application. It would have to be a legitimate trade offer for the trade application to work correctly.

I suppose if the opposing manager wants to amend it, he could make that request, but it is certainly not necessary to make my suggestion work.[/quote:f5c0e27bc6]

You are CORRECT, sir! It's getting the Offer past muster so the other GM can accept. Check that one off, and continue!

[Muadib1950]

[quote:947a06114c="AeroDave10"][quote:947a06114c="bontomn"]Great suggestion! Hope Bernie will mark it on his future "to do" list.[/quote:947a06114c]

I wholeheartedly agree. Andy, you have a great idea, but like many others, if it doesn't make it past the TSN "cutting room floor", it won't mean much. I'm not sure what has to be done to make this higher on the priority list, but I'll support whatever it takes for that to happen.[/quote:947a06114c]

Bernie reads these Chatrooms ... it's his job to do so ... and Andy's suggestion seems fairly easy to program for in the general Trade Menu ... or so it seems. Hopefully Bernie will surface during this discussion ...