My last team-Stratomatic statically does not play fair

My last team-Stratomatic statically does not play fair

Postby theavgjoe » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:03 am

Below is my team. There is not way based on past history this team could have performed this badly. The players were selected because they had performed well in Stratomatic play in Coors field. I cannot continues to play in a system that statically does not play fair. A below 500 record at home and Ed Walsh at 12 and 19 -no way.

http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/stratomatic/home_good.html

Name T End. W L S BS IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA WHIP BAL Salary
Walsh, Ed (1910) R S9* 12 19 0 0 259.2 266 152 140 83 197 38 4.85 1.34 E 10.79M
Martinez, Pedro (1997) R S7* 12 17 0 0 226.1 246 150 144 99 288 64 5.73 1.52 1L 10.54M
Mathewson, Christy (1905) R S9* 11 15 0 0 246.2 287 143 137 86 163 42 5.00 1.51 E 9.80M
Clemens, Roger (1997) R S8* 9 14 0 0 232.2 258 152 149 108 242 48 5.76 1.57 1L 9.53M
Perry, Jim (1965) R S8/R3 0 1 0 0 35.2 46 30 30 9 16 8 7.57 1.54 1R 3.84M
Hoffman, Trevor (1998) R R1 0 1 5 1 8.2 7 7 7 5 10 2 7.27 1.38 E 5.85M
Quisenberry, Dan (1984) R R3 3 2 2 2 40.1 63 41 37 17 13 9 8.26 1.98 2R 2.92M
Aguirre, Hank (1960) L R3 4 6 6 5 53.2 63 41 37 26 46 14 6.21 1.66 6R 2.26M
Worthington, Al (1965) R R3 2 4 3 2 55.2 60 34 34 43 29 6 5.50 1.85 4R 1.17M
TOTALS 55 83 20 13 1218.2 1394 829 791 513 1054 262 5.84 1.57

Hitters (15) min. 13, max. 17
Name B P Def. AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS E BA OBP SLG BAL Salary
Rodriguez, Ivan (1999) R C 1(-5)e1 143 18 35 7 0 9 21 5 21 0 0 0 .245 .269 .483 1R 6.59M
Sullivan Sr., Billy (1904) R C 3(+1)e9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 E .50M
Cooper, Cecil (1982) L 1B 1e5 459 56 128 20 1 22 63 14 65 0 0 5 .279 .297 .471 3R 6.93M
Sandberg, Ryne (1990) R 2B 1e12 556 96 160 18 2 41 87 28 102 12 5 5 .288 .319 .549 5R 8.35M
Young, Pep (1936) R 2B 4e19 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 1L .50M
Williams, Matt (1994) R 3B 1e18 559 84 130 9 5 56 110 25 148 1 0 20 .233 .265 .567 5L 6.21M
Knight, Ray (1986) R 3B 3e21 105 11 35 7 0 4 18 7 18 0 0 1 .333 .386 .514 7L 2.47M
Hobson, Butch (1978) R 3B 4e53 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 3R .50M
Larkin, Barry (1992) R SS 1e16 420 62 114 13 1 4 24 33 73 1 2 12 .271 .337 .336 5L 6.91M
Dugan, Joe (1919) R SS 4e36 8 2 3 1 0 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 .375 .375 .500 E .50M
McRae, Hal (1982) R LF 4(+4)e16 482 58 125 33 7 23 56 38 83 0 0 0 .259 .316 .500 2L 3.68M
Simmons, Al (1925) R CF 2(-1)e10 146 22 42 5 4 6 14 6 27 0 0 0 .288 .314 .500 E 8.61M
Rivers, Mickey (1975) L CF 3(+2)e10 18 4 2 0 0 0 0 0 5 2 1 0 .111 .111 .111 2L .83M
Walker, Larry (1997) L RF 1(-4)e2 500 81 128 23 5 36 88 42 102 8 3 3 .256 .336 .538 5R 11.19M
Maris, Roger (1961) L RF 2(-3)e9 309 45 59 10 2 24 49 33 59 0 0 5 .191 .279 .469 5R 9.52M
TOTALS 4814 688 1222 189 33 272 663 357 991 32 14 75 .254 .311 .476
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Postby ADRIANGABRIEL » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:34 am

I'm with you! This game is a joke!
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Postby PotKettleBlack » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:04 pm

Looks like an issue of run support for Walsh.

You have a couple guys that people are generally down on. And a few guys with fairly large splits (Sandberg, Matt Williams, Larry Walker, Roger Maris, Larkin).

I'd pitch you a lot of lefties, and take my chances with Barry Larkin, Matt Williams and Ray Knight, while keeping Sandberg, Walker and Maris contained and Cooper benched (I'm guessing).

The game could be unfair, or it could be a touch more complicated than taking an assortment of players who have played well in a park out of context, throwing them together, and seeing what happened.

Park like Coors, you will have to score more than 688 runs. Even with Walsh/Pedro/Matty, and Rocket.
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Postby rjohaire » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:28 pm

You spent way too much on pitching, esp for Coors - u should pay between 30-40% in pitching - wouldn't go higher as SOM leans heavily towards offense.
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Postby motherscratcher » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:24 pm

The way I see it is this can be explained in one of two ways. Either:

1. Your assessment is correct. Despite being a dice game generated by a computer, strat does have an inexplicable yet real vendetta against you, similar to the vendetta the great white shark has for the Brody family.

Or

2. Your team is somehow flawed.

If 1, you should run and not look back.

If 2, you should ask some of the experienced players for help in understanding what you did wrong (they have already started doing this) so you can maybe do better next time.

I'd recommend number 2 because the guys on this board are very helpful and this game is addicting. You were interested enough to come once. Give it another shot.

Maybe you'll get lucky and I'll be in your next league. That's one less team you'll have to worry about. :)
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Postby Valen » Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:01 pm

His problem is option 1. I consulted with the real life A's and Mariners of 2011 and they agree. Team with the best pitchers should always win majority of their games.

Unfortunately for them they cannot quit but must play this season out. :lol:

Seriously, be patient with the game and with yourself. It can be a lot of fun if you let it. And remember when you post link to your team to include the user id. You can do this by first going to standings or team stats page. Click on your team so the url includes the user id. Then post that link. People can then give advice based not only on your park but on your division's parks and how you used your roster. It should look something like the below...

[url]http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/stratomatic/team/team_other.html?user_id=317338[/url]

Consider it legitimate or not, but especially in hitters parks you gotta expect ERA of your pitchers to roughly double due in part to the quality of lineups you face.
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Here's some underperforming stars to make me want to...

Postby jfreeman » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:04 pm

Playing in Polo 41'!!!

Hitters (15) min. 13, max. 17
Name B P Def AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS E BA OBP SLG BAL Hartnett, Gabby (1930) R C 1(-2)e4 124 14 36 6 0 7 18 7 27 0 0 0 .290 .328 .508 2R 8.18M
White, Sammy (1957) R C 2(-2)e2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 2R .54M
Bagwell, Jeff (1994) R 1B 1e14 123 10 27 9 0 5 16 15 30 3 0 2 .220 .314 .415 9L 11.60M :shock:
Ortiz, David (2007) L 1B 5e25 77 17 22 8 0 3 9 21 21 0 0 0 .286 .451 .507 4R 7.30M
Huggins, Miller (1912) S 2B 2e22 122 20 37 1 0 0 4 27 22 13 3 4 .303 .430 .312 1R 5.22M
Richardson, Bobby (1961) R 2B 1e18 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 2 .000 .000 .000 1L .87M
Mathews, Eddie (1959) L 3B 2e19 115 18 27 2 3 8 18 18 21 0 0 2 .235 .333 .513 4R 9.14M
Cabell, Enos (1980) R 3B 3e34 3 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 .333 .333 .333 1L .86M
Trammell, Alan (1987) R SS 1e22 112 13 34 7 0 7 19 9 19 0 1 6 .304 .353 .554 1L 8.24M
Taveras, Frank (1977) R SS 3e30 11 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 1 0 .273 .273 .273 2L .59M
Bonds, Barry (2001) L LF 2(+1)e7 119 22 20 4 0 9 21 33 43 0 0 0 .168 .351 .429 3R 14.54M :shock:
Piniella, Lou (1969) R LF 4(0)e10 45 4 10 0 0 2 5 2 8 0 0 0 .222 .255 .356 6L .93M
Wilson, Hack (1930) R CF 3(0)e12 124 19 23 1 0 8 19 15 40 0 0 2 .186 .273 .387 2L 9.38M :shock:
Philley, Dave (1950) S CF 2(-3)e8 21 5 8 3 0 1 1 1 3 0 0 1 .381 .409 .667 2L .79M :D
Jackson, Reggie (1969) L RF 2(-4)e13 101 20 23 5 0 10 25 21 36 0 2 3 .228 .366 .574 3R 10.13M :shock:
TOTALS 1101 163 271 46 3 60 156 169 274 16 7 24 .246 .349 .457
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Postby raslavens » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:30 pm

Remember your players accumulated their real life stats against far lesser competition than what they're up against now in a 12-team league full of superstar pitchers and lineups -- especially at the higher salary caps. If you want more realism, try the lower caps.
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Postby 216 Stitches » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:36 pm

[quote:fb644b3600="theavgjoe"] There is not way based on past history this team could have performed this badly. The players were selected because they had performed well in Stratomatic play in Coors field. [/quote:fb644b3600]

It kind of reads as though you picked the players based on the
Diamond Dope Actuals -- how previous players perfromed in Coors
Field. Several of you players are very high on the Coors field
performance listings according to Diamond Dope Actuals.

But you used several of the players significantly differently than
they were used in these other leagues.

As PotKettle points out, you have 5 players that are often
used only in platoons. There numbers at Coors field look
great because they faced just one side for the pitchers:

On Diamond Dope at Coors Probably MOSTLY AS 1-WAY (that is Plattoon) players

Name B Pos Salary AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS E AVG OBP SLG RC700 WIN%
Sandberg, Ryne (1990) R 2B-1e12 8.35 651 125 196 18 6 45 136 49 87 9 6 10 0.302 0.351 0.553 126.43 0.541
Larkin, Barry (1992) R SS-1e16 6.91 614 167 233 47 8 35 117 86 43 0 8 8 0.380 0.456 0.652 182.48 0.506
Williams, Matt (1994) R 3B-1e18 6.21 661 112 165 17 4 71 148 39 151 0 0 18 0.250 0.291 0.608 117.16 0.463
Walker, Larry (1997) L RF-1(-4)e2 11.19 634 141 211 39 2 54 158 66 105 14 6 2 0.332 0.395 0.656 164.46
Maris, Roger (1961) L RF-2(-3)e9 9.52 628 134 170 10 8 81 175 72 83 0 0 11 0.270 0.345 0.698 151.35 0.549

But on your team, you played them against both lefites and righties.
Lefty killers, in particular, Larkin and Williams, should be expected
to have this kind of drop off when playing them both ways.

[quote:fb644b3600="theavgjoe"]
Name B P Def. AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS E BA OBP SLG BAL Salary
Sandberg, Ryne (1990) R 2B 1e12 556 96 160 18 2 41 87 28 102 12 5 5 .288 .319 .549 5R 8.35M
Williams, Matt (1994) R 3B 1e18 559 84 130 9 5 56 110 25 148 1 0 20 .233 .265 .567 5L 6.21M
Larkin, Barry (1992) R SS 1e16 420 62 114 13 1 4 24 33 73 1 2 12 .271 .337 .336 5L 6.91M
Walker, Larry (1997) L RF 1(-4)e2 500 81 128 23 5 36 88 42 102 8 3 3 .256 .336 .538 5R 11.19M
Maris, Roger (1961) L RF 2(-3)e9 309 45 59 10 2 24 49 33 59 0 0 5 .191 .279 .469 5R 9.52M
[/quote:fb644b3600]
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Postby PotKettleBlack » Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:24 am

One way to sort how players are used on DD is to switch from the per-700 PA view to the Total or Cumulative or whatever view, then divide by the number of uses. Platoon players have massively fewer PAs.

The thing about heavy L (especially) and heavy R players is that they need a balancing force in the lineup. Not necessarily a platoon, per se, but a player at another position who mashes the other way. Consider: Brosius at 3rd as a balance for Larry Walker in Right or Norm Cash at 1B.
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