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What are some important things to consider when contructing a lineup and batting order. I was thinking about this because I seem to remember someone saying in a thred that you don't want someone with a high OBP hitting 6th for some reason. I can't think of a single reason why so I figure I must be misremembering.

But I've also read a lot about having someone with good clutch hitting 8th. So what is a good clutch rating?

The $ signs on batter cards before a play result change outs to hits and hits to outs with 2 out and runner(s) in scoring position.

[quote:1e573fd9fe="rburgh"]The $ signs on batter cards before a play result change outs to hits and hits to outs with 2 out and runner(s) in scoring position.[/quote:1e573fd9fe]

Yeah, I had that, I just wasn't sure what is considered a good rating.

I took your advice from the other thread and went to the DD pool. I'm assuming the L-CL and R-CL are the clutch ratings. The look to range between around -17 to +17. So what is a good rating?

(had to laugh when I looked at capt. jeter's)

[quote:4fa75d7346="motherscratcher"] I was thinking about this because I seem to remember someone saying in a thred that you don't want someone with a high OBP hitting 6th for some reason. I can't think of a single reason why so I figure I must be misremembering.[/quote:4fa75d7346]

I think the point was that better than average OBP and better than
average SLG both costs more salary. And for the hitter in the 6th
spot, spend the resources on the elite SLG not the elite OBP to get
more RBI (i.e., the 4th and 5th batters may be walked a lot and
you are looking at driving in runners from 1st, as the 7th and 8th
can't be counted on so much).

Maybe it was meant its worth it have sub-par OBP if the payoff is even
higher SLG. Thats kind of your call how far you push that trade-off.

Not my rules and rules are meant to be broken. Whats the worst that
can happen? bad team.

I once had a keeper league team with an embarrassment of power, but no real leadoff guy. So I led off with Frank Thomas. Everybody laughed. He led the league in runs scored, and I led the league in wins. Sadly, I was upset in the playoffs on a 3 HR game 7 by Tony bleeping Phillips.

remember too clutch in SOM has nothing to do with clutch as in propensity to hit with RISP. It is a statistical nuance to help balance runs scored in unbalanced lineups. Basically, it is like an add-on linear fit to keep the runs produced equation realistic for a team, like a guardrail either side of the performance curve.

It's necessary because these cards are designed to reproduce the actual stats by player and performance by team, and in the aggregate on a team there can be some occasional extreme variances on some players if not tempered.

good article on laying out how often it comes up.

Not much--but a bit more than this in ATG due to the higher OBA.

[url]http://ballparkhomerun.com/2011/03/01/readers-question-clutch-hitting/[/url]

Lotta different ways to skin the lineup cat.
The difference between the best arrangement and the worst is not that big.

The baseball musings site has a lineup tool that some folks like.

Tom Tango has some lineup stuff in The Book. I like that, though it doesn't always translate to Strat.