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General Baseball stat question: Zone Rating vs Range Factor?
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Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:18 amby modmark46
Which is generally considered the more important/valued stat for a fielder in mlb?
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Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:39 amby PotKettleBlack
UZR is generally a better stat... way more advanced, way complicated to calculate.
Range + Errors is a good old school way to look at fielding. UZR captures that and more.
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Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:42 amby errormagnate
pardon my ignorance but what is UZR? I love pitching and fielding stats
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Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:49 amby JOSEPHKENDALL
[quote:569770e756="errormagnate"]pardon my ignorance but what is UZR? I love pitching and fielding stats[/quote:569770e756]
Ultimate Zone Rating
More info:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/uzr-on-fangraphs
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Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:33 pmby errormagnate
Thanks
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Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:49 pmby scorehouse
where do you find the players lists with these ratings besides theri names?
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Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:34 amby JOSEPHKENDALL
[quote:aa58d01e5c="scorehouse"]where do you find the players lists with these ratings besides theri names?[/quote:aa58d01e5c]
This is an example. You have to go to each player and look it up.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1679&position=2B#fielding
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Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:05 pmby macnole
complicated doesn't equal accurate.
There is still subjectivity in the factors, even though they're being cited as objective. It's tough to capture...but IMO if there's going to be any subjectivity, it should be in watching the players play, and making inferences from that to augment the stats.
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Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:24 pmby PotKettleBlack
[quote:bab70a39a4="macnole"]complicated doesn't equal accurate.
There is still subjectivity in the factors, even though they're being cited as objective. It's tough to capture...but IMO if there's going to be any subjectivity, it should be in watching the players play, and making inferences from that to augment the stats.[/quote:bab70a39a4]
Yep. That's why I said:
[quote:bab70a39a4]UZR is generally a better stat... way more advanced, way complicated to calculate.
Range + Errors is a good old school way to look at fielding. UZR captures that and more.[/quote:bab70a39a4]
Not "UZR is a perfect stat because it's way more advances and way complicated to calculate." Because, demonstrably, it's not anything like a perfect stat. But generally speaking, better than Range + Errors.
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Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:28 pmby macnole
I agree, I just didnt say it right.