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Subject: TRADE OFFER: Why have the Yankees been so willing to deal Montero for 2 years? Hmmmm

Yankees give up:
Montero, Jesus (2011) ($414,000)
Noesi, Hector (2011)

Mariners give up:
Pineda, Micahel (2011) ($414,000)
Campos, Jose (2011)

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Cash Available Now: $LOADS
Cash Available After Trade: $LOADS

Historically, it has been really bad to deal young hitters for young pitchers. I'm sure there are exceptions, but the infamous Brock for Broglio trade was in that category.

stupid. i bet they could have could wandy rodriguez from the astros plus brett myers? or one of the braves pitchers?

Yankees have another excellent catching prospect in Gary Sanchez. So Montero was never untouchable.

Unlikely that the Braves would deal a front-line starter for a catching prospect with McCann and Freeman around. They'd have to be convinced the prospect could play 3B or LF, and I doubt Montero can do either.

braves are on a tight budget. you can never have too many cather prospects.

im not so sure montero can catch either, but he sure can hit. I agree with the sentiment that from a risk perspective the hitter is lower risk than a young pitcher.

This trade was clearly driven by need on both sides. Seattle needed hitting, but had plenty of pitching prospects.

The Yankees needing starting pitching and had two other promising catching prospects. Plus the Yanks have no worries about scoring runs in 2012, even without Montero.

Plus, if the Yanks were confident Montero could catch, I doubt that they would have dealt him.

This trade could work for both teams--or it could be a big win for one team or the other. We won't really know till we see how the players actually perform.

For the record, Broglio wasn't really all that young a pitching when he was traded for Brock. He was 28, whereas Pineda is soon to be 23.

trade isn't similar at all. broglio had 2 great seasons he was 3rd in the cy young in 1960 and 18-9 with a 2.99 era the season before he was traded. why he crashed i don't know but it sounds like an arm injury to me?

Isn't Pineda going from a pitcher's park to a HR haven?

[quote:e9af4c3701="honestiago"]Isn't Pineda going from a pitcher's park to a HR haven?[/quote:e9af4c3701]

yes, that's exactly right...though he has had swing/miss stuff and at times able to control it...typical young arm.

He had a .64 gb/FB ratio last year, 10th lowest in MLB I believe...that's an interesting counterpoint to his swing and miss stuff. Although Jared Weaver was lowest in that department. A traditional power pitcher without the modern day splitter, really. His pitches per plate appearance and per inning are about average...which is encouraging for his age. I thought it would be higher. He may change his approach in Yankee stadium after the first 10 or 15 HRs, but that wouldn't bode well for him.

And thankfully no one has brought up BABIP. That stat is all over the place...for every example where it implies excellence, it has an example where it doesn't make sense against performance, if it were a predictor of anything.

There's a grenade with the pin pulled...

Here is an interesting article with his pitch types/locations/batter types.

[url]http://www.draysbay.com/2012/1/14/2706951/scouting-michael-pineda-new-york-yankees[/url]