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Just curious, does anyone know how this sort of thing is working out? Having leagues for "newbies" or relatively new managers in general?

I always thought TSN should have a better way of introducing new managers to the game. Some way of filling their leagues quickly with new managers or maybe with computer managers if the league isn't filling. I think a dip in the kiddie pool is a better introduction than jumping into the deep end of the ocean.

They need to play with the "Big Boys" until they figure things out. I DON'T have a problem with the > leagues - but if you want to learn, play against experienced guys.

Just my 2 cents - FZL

BTW - PJ, I get your point. I guess what I'm proposing is the same theory as learning to swim (and how my Dad taught me to swim), throw 'em in and if they want to live, they'll get it. A bit harsh, but effective.

Again, just my 2 cents - FZL

[quote:71b4946981="Frank Zappa Lives!!!"]throw 'em in and if they want to live, they'll get it. A bit harsh, but effective.[/quote:71b4946981]

Then again, we never do get to hear the opinions of the ones who didn't get it.

So if a kid wants to learn to hit he should do his learning against Justin Verlander and Roy Halladay. :lol:

[quote:6d0ea6a309="Valen"]So if a kid wants to learn to hit he should do his learning against Justin Verlander and Roy Halladay. :lol:[/quote:6d0ea6a309]

And pilots should just"give it a shot".

And surgeons - what's the old adage: see one, do one, teach one.

There must be some middle ground, no?

The 21 game free sampler got me hooked.

Maybe a 3-team discount pack at 50% off would be cool. Yes computer managers somehow integrated could be cool, as long as there is a way to prevent abuse of that.

I think FZL is right, that the "learning" will happen in the open leagues, but to set the hook, you have to have fun and winning 3 out of 10 isn't fun for most. Those of us who are regular players didn't mind being beat up at first, but I really do think a lot of people give up and don't come back primarily because of the degree of difficulty.

[quote:5ec4c9b872="PJ Axelsson"]I think FZL is right, that the "learning" will happen in the open leagues, but to set the hook, you have to have fun and winning 3 out of 10 isn't fun for most. Those of us who are regular players didn't mind being beat up at first, but I really do think a lot of people give up and don't come back primarily because of the degree of difficulty.[/quote:5ec4c9b872]

Can't help but notice that the "harsh" approach is championed by those already through the "process".

We will rarely if ever get a view from someone who is new, as they are selected out, as it were.

Just as we have no idea about how many people are incredibly turned off by the vitriol in some of the more, shall we say, aggressive threads, as they may just say screw it, and just never come back. What we do know is that there is a concerning lack of growth in this game we all love.

This game's weakness is its 20th century social media linkage and interface. It is well behind the times on social interaction media. Everything is twitterable, FBing, diggd', etc. With some vision, there are a lot of avenues to take this game to the next level.

It could be the best baseball game engine ever, but it's getting left behind by environments with a better developed social nexus. That's why it's dying. Not vitriol. There's worse on a teenager's FB page.

But when one guy is working his turd off trying to save the game, make improvements, keep it running, and monitor the kids, it's too many glass balls in the air. And I should add--no matter how good the guy is. Even if his name is Bernie.