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looking for advise on a fenway 67 team. should i dropped cooper and get musial. How about ted williams vs b. ruth. cards look very similar anyone have any exp. with any of these 2 sluggs.

thanks in advance

If your at FW'67 then keep Coop . He's the best Defensive 1st baseman , doesn't get hurt at all , more power than Stan , and you can use the saved $$$ elsewhere .

If you face enough RHP's Cooper will rock. If he faces alot of lefties, he will struggle. Musial will hit anyone, anywhere, but not nearly as many HR's as Coop will.

Cooper is very good at times Musial is always good. It would depend on what you would do with the extra money and how your team stacks up presently vs lefties. Based on only those 2 I would try to work it to get Musial on my team, but I never really have that option it seems! :D

I have had both players many, many, many times. In a hr-20 park Cooper is vastly better in my experience. In a singles park Musial gets the nod. For me Musial is like Cuyler, often disappointing. I may post some examples later.

It's later. :)

Typical Musial in Forbes
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=45592

Here's both on the same Candlestick team. Musial was predictably better.

http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=41663

Cooper in Fenway 67.
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=47665

Cooper in Dunn.
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=51589

Cooper in Fenway 67 again.
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=51624

Musial in Forbes
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=51904

Musial in Forbes again
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=52596

Cooper in Forbes?!? (and look at the team record!)
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=53446

Cooper rockin in Dunn (and the usual crap from Cuyler).
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=55088

More Cooper in Dunn
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=55107

Cooper in Dunn
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=56855

Cooper in... Dunn!
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=57080

Cooper in Fenway 67
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=58292

Cooper lousy in Dunn (for him!)
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=59547

Cooper's worst in Dunn
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=59569

Musial in KC
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=60448

Cooper average year in Dunn
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=60807

Musial hits exactly .300 but team does well anyway
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=60867

Musial and Cooper together in Polo
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=61027

Musial hits .305 in Griffith
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=62154

Musial hits .320 in the Stick
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=64206

Cooper in Yankee 56
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=65606

Cooper in Dunn
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=60807

Cooper in 'Dome. Bad year except for the rbi's
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=66167

Cooper in Baker
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=68466

Musial in Forbes
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=69246

Musial knocks in 65, slugs.498 in Griffith
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=70326

Cooper stars in Baker
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=71986

Cooper so-so in Briggs but team wins anyway
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=72986

Musial fails to produce in Polo
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=73226

Musial in Dome NEW LINK
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=97560

Cooper typical in Baker LINK FIXED TO RIGHT TEAM
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=78371


Musial's best year for me (Forbes).
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=79010

Poor Cooper year in Baker
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=86246

Cooper brings home the bacon in Baker
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=96479

Cooper in Fenway 86 (Champ #29 from last night)
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=100126

Cooper knocks in 125 in Dodger 65
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=98167

I rest my case. Cooper and Musial in Baker
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=98869

[quote:aa2327ef4f]I have had both players many, many, many times. [/quote:aa2327ef4f]

Many times? You're missing a few 'manys'. :P

Actually I left out my first 60 teams -- so there's a few more...

Petrosian you posted several of the teams with the same ID# so there was an error on some but of the teams you posted 14 had Musial with an average of 89.71 wins Cooper had 23 teams with an average of 89.30 so you have actually done slightly better with Musial, and you are far better than most at putting teams together.

In your Bomber parks you listed Musial in 4 teams: won 105 Yankee,100 Polo 98 Baker with Cooper and 87 (dragged down by that bum Cooper and Aaron as well :wink: in Polo). I am surprised you have not used him more in bomber parks actually.

Cooper and Musial both are good and Cooper obviously can put up great numbers and gives more money to adjust the team. But I do think for whatever reason Musial is a better winner, and on Bomber teams gives you the ability to win in pitchers parks while still having power. Playing him at 1B allows to use some of the cheap good power available in the OF.

Charlie

I do not use either player much. I have had each just once, but the one team with Coop was memorable:

[url]http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=3362[/url]

This is just another example of Coop getting the job done in a hitter's park.

Fixed the two incorrect links that I found. One Cooper link was invalid and deleted. Added a recent Musial link.

Musial in Dome NEW LINK
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=97560

Cooper typical in Baker LINK FIXED TO RIGHT TEAM
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=78371

Bottom line for me is runs scored and runs batted in. Cooper is competitive on runs scored with Musial but is generally significantly better at rbi's. I love both guys but based on their performance for me, Cooper seems to have more bang for the buck. Of course my preference is to have them both. But its hard to get Musial past round 2 and I get Cooper several rounds later all the time.

So hopefully that sheds some light on the original question. :) And to answer it most concretely, I would keep both. No comparison between Ruth and Williams. Hopefully you can figure out which one is better.