IMO, getting the additional players 1-8 for everyone, and the proper stadium for everyone takes precedence over everything else, including the timing of the league start.
Two non-platooning LFs in a no DH league is my stupidity pure and simple.
Round 3 - Let's go for a dozen leagues!!
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by kcm0711 » Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:53 pm
I have sent emails to Teepack and CASMITH. Hopefully, we can get this off the ground. I am beginning to think coming into this league as a filler was a mistake. I have not even started to look at event four. WBonn's mistake was an honest one but, all these other delays and mistakes are becoming stupid. I have done the last thing I am willing to do for this crap.
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by mesquiton » Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:02 pm
FWIW, the reason the rule was made to put the AD picks at the top rather than bottom was to prevent anybody from secretly and "illegally" putting theirs at the top, thereby guaranteeing that they would get all 8 of their picks. Of course, none of us would do such a thing, but there's no way to eliminate that possibility except for everybody to put AD picks at the top.
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by savguy73 » Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:20 pm
Thanks for explaining that Mesquiton, that makes a lot of sense to put the auto-drafts on top.
My opinion's:
-wait for everyone in the east to confirm that they got their draft order right. If they didn't, everyone in the central will have to drop out of the league and give the east time to fix things up.
-Let Wbonn use another stadium with similar numbers, as long as it is available.
My opinion's:
-wait for everyone in the east to confirm that they got their draft order right. If they didn't, everyone in the central will have to drop out of the league and give the east time to fix things up.
-Let Wbonn use another stadium with similar numbers, as long as it is available.
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by Cubit » Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:26 pm
Why is this part of the draft taking so long? At this point, I think I've just about lost patience. A controversy over a simple statement by the League Commissioner (i.e. me, that nobody challenged and which has absolutely no impact on the draft as long as everyone abides by it).
I do not believe that there were, are, or have been any specific references in this thread to the order of the draft cards-- I checked. I therefore made a ruling and set the pattern for entering your clubs. Nobody challenged me. Cummings2, you do seem to have found a teepack quote on the issue, but you neglect to tell me where it comes from. I appreciate your deferring to my judgement on the order. I, too, do not see what difference it makes. Mesquiton speaks as if he has The Word, but I do not know where it comes from. I could acknowledge that I may have missed it, i but I am not new to Live Drafts, especially this type, and since we all have access to available players through the Penngray site and we all know our own picks, there should be no problem. I have been in live drafts where we do it exactly this way. Moreover, no one called me on it until we were half way through the entering the Divisions period and I come back tonight to find no movement at all!
We ALL have 17 chosen players. ALL of them should go only to the player who drafted them. HAL will make no extra substitutions. The only conflict comes with player 18+. It should make absolutely no difference as long as nobody drafts any player drafted by another instead of their own. HAL will not substitute a player from the list of drafted players for a player on someone else's card. As long as we all do it the same way. I announced the way we would be doing it here. Is there a flaw in my logic here?
Since you seem [b:f58c69c116]still[/b:f58c69c116] to be the last one in mesquiton, could you not do as you suggest, i.e. pull out, reorder, and reenter?
Perhaps that is the only reason people haven't entered-- waiting for some ruling from me. But you may recall that I already Ruled.
I am not very clear on why there is a controversy on the Stadium, since the Rogers Center is Toronto, and Toronto was the stadium chosen by WBonn63 in the draft. I am not very happy with an [i:f58c69c116]ex post facto [/i:f58c69c116] change, since the stadium is a central component of this competition, but I do not want to to drive wbonn63 out of the Competition because of a blunder [I made such a one myself once....]
I believe Arizona is indeed available, and I have no objection to you using it instead of Toronto (or us pretending you are using Arizona), as long as you take that info to teepack as an appeal. I will support you as LC. But if we want to ask Bernie to make the change [b:f58c69c116]We've Got to Complete the D-mn Draft First![/b:f58c69c116], which would have been my first choice.
I will hold my temper and attempt to be reasonable that we have not finished this tonight, putting it down to my mistaken belief that all we had to do was carry out the obligation we all took on to each other of entering. I can understand that perhaps there are other issues that people felt needed a ruling. That will teach me to come up to Boston to watch the Red Sox trounce the Mets! I am lucky, since the other offer I had on hand was a trip to Baltimore to watch the Phillies and Orioles drown-- and I would have been going by Amtrak!
I do hope that by the time I get home tomorrow evening we will all be in and we can actually start the draft tomorrow.
That about covers it, I hope.
I do not believe that there were, are, or have been any specific references in this thread to the order of the draft cards-- I checked. I therefore made a ruling and set the pattern for entering your clubs. Nobody challenged me. Cummings2, you do seem to have found a teepack quote on the issue, but you neglect to tell me where it comes from. I appreciate your deferring to my judgement on the order. I, too, do not see what difference it makes. Mesquiton speaks as if he has The Word, but I do not know where it comes from. I could acknowledge that I may have missed it, i but I am not new to Live Drafts, especially this type, and since we all have access to available players through the Penngray site and we all know our own picks, there should be no problem. I have been in live drafts where we do it exactly this way. Moreover, no one called me on it until we were half way through the entering the Divisions period and I come back tonight to find no movement at all!
We ALL have 17 chosen players. ALL of them should go only to the player who drafted them. HAL will make no extra substitutions. The only conflict comes with player 18+. It should make absolutely no difference as long as nobody drafts any player drafted by another instead of their own. HAL will not substitute a player from the list of drafted players for a player on someone else's card. As long as we all do it the same way. I announced the way we would be doing it here. Is there a flaw in my logic here?
Since you seem [b:f58c69c116]still[/b:f58c69c116] to be the last one in mesquiton, could you not do as you suggest, i.e. pull out, reorder, and reenter?
Perhaps that is the only reason people haven't entered-- waiting for some ruling from me. But you may recall that I already Ruled.
I am not very clear on why there is a controversy on the Stadium, since the Rogers Center is Toronto, and Toronto was the stadium chosen by WBonn63 in the draft. I am not very happy with an [i:f58c69c116]ex post facto [/i:f58c69c116] change, since the stadium is a central component of this competition, but I do not want to to drive wbonn63 out of the Competition because of a blunder [I made such a one myself once....]
I believe Arizona is indeed available, and I have no objection to you using it instead of Toronto (or us pretending you are using Arizona), as long as you take that info to teepack as an appeal. I will support you as LC. But if we want to ask Bernie to make the change [b:f58c69c116]We've Got to Complete the D-mn Draft First![/b:f58c69c116], which would have been my first choice.
I will hold my temper and attempt to be reasonable that we have not finished this tonight, putting it down to my mistaken belief that all we had to do was carry out the obligation we all took on to each other of entering. I can understand that perhaps there are other issues that people felt needed a ruling. That will teach me to come up to Boston to watch the Red Sox trounce the Mets! I am lucky, since the other offer I had on hand was a trip to Baltimore to watch the Phillies and Orioles drown-- and I would have been going by Amtrak!
I do hope that by the time I get home tomorrow evening we will all be in and we can actually start the draft tomorrow.
That about covers it, I hope.
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by Cubit » Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:31 pm
[quote:180ecc708b="kcm0711"]Hooray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Another day down the crapper and I don't even know if I need to reload my team or not. Hooray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :roll:[/quote:180ecc708b]
Oh, how much I agree with you kcm0711!
Do I take it that you followed my directions, drafting 1-17 and then the free choice 8? That's what I asked us all to do. As long as nobody violates their colleague's rosters we will have no problem.
[b:180ecc708b]PLEASE, nobody change divisions, everyone put the free choice players at the bottom of your draft list as I asked, and please attempt to fulfill our committment to one another by entering tomorrow. [/b:180ecc708b]
Cummings2, I cannot fault you for raising the draft issue, but I know you know the only thing that matters is that we ALL do the same thing and we all know our own first 17 picks, so that certainly seemed to guarantee that even if somebody tried to poach another player's pick (even accidently) at #18, he would already be gone, assigned to his proper club!
Oh, how much I agree with you kcm0711!
Do I take it that you followed my directions, drafting 1-17 and then the free choice 8? That's what I asked us all to do. As long as nobody violates their colleague's rosters we will have no problem.
[b:180ecc708b]PLEASE, nobody change divisions, everyone put the free choice players at the bottom of your draft list as I asked, and please attempt to fulfill our committment to one another by entering tomorrow. [/b:180ecc708b]
Cummings2, I cannot fault you for raising the draft issue, but I know you know the only thing that matters is that we ALL do the same thing and we all know our own first 17 picks, so that certainly seemed to guarantee that even if somebody tried to poach another player's pick (even accidently) at #18, he would already be gone, assigned to his proper club!
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by mesquiton » Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:25 am
Cubit, as I said, my only concern was that we all be on the same page. But I was confused by your original post, as it seemed contrary to the rules. I assumed we were following the same rules as last year, and I read your post in that light. I don't care how we do it, but here are the Tour Live Draft rules I was referring to:
[quote:738b3c6c30]5) The live drafts will consist of 18 rounds, which includes stadium (which can be picked at any time during the draft). [b:738b3c6c30]The last eight players will be determined through the TSN autodraft engine. All live drafts will be conducted using Penngray’s software. When filling out your draft cards, please rank your eight non-drafted players first, then your 17 drafted players.[/b:738b3c6c30] All players taken during the live draft must be on your autodraft card. Failure to do so will result in a penalty of 10 Tour points for each player.
The 10-point penalty can be avoided if the manager does ALL of the following:
A) Announce his mistake to the league via a message to every manager in the league and then proclaim his intention to pick the player back up during waivers. He must do this by 9 p.m. ET on the night after the draft runs (i.e., the day BEFORE the waivers process).
B) Cut his most expensive non-live drafted player prior to 12 p.m. ET on the day waivers are scheduled to run.
C) Use his first waiver claim on the player he left off his draft card; if he decides to release a player in conjunction with this claim, the player he releases must be one of the additional eight players he picked up during the autodraft and cannot be one of the players he selected in the live draft. In addition, he must announce which player he will be releasing so that every manager will be aware that this player will be in the free agent pool immediately after the waivers conclude.
If a manager leaves two players he live drafted off his draft card, he must follow each of the steps above for BOTH players he did not draft, which means he has to cut his two most expensive non-live drafted players by 12 p.m. ET on the day waivers are scheduled to run AND use his first two waiver picks to pick up his live drafted players.
If a manager leaves three or more players he live drafted off his draft card, he is fined 10 points per player more than 2, assuming he adheres to A and B in this section. If a manager chooses not to do ALL OF THE ABOVE, he will be penalized 10 points off his Tour point total for EACH player he left off his draft card and did not pick back up during waivers.
In addition, if you mistakenly autodraft a player that belongs to another manager, you must trade him back to the rightful manager PRIOR to waivers. Failure to do so will result in a penalty of 10 Tour points.[/b][/quote:738b3c6c30]
I'm guessing these are the rules teepack is going by. But I forgot they were not included at the start of this year, because nobody knew then if Penn's site would be available for live drafts. However, they were in effect last year, and from teepack's posts, it seems he considers them still in effect this year.
As I recall, they were adopted to address problems that came up in the past. The reason for putting all AD picks at the top was to prevent anybody from doing so "illegally" to guarantee they'd get all their picks.
I'd suggest teepack re-post these rules for future live drafts.
Meanwhile, since I now know that's really what you want, I'll go back and put my AD picks at the bottom.
[quote:738b3c6c30]5) The live drafts will consist of 18 rounds, which includes stadium (which can be picked at any time during the draft). [b:738b3c6c30]The last eight players will be determined through the TSN autodraft engine. All live drafts will be conducted using Penngray’s software. When filling out your draft cards, please rank your eight non-drafted players first, then your 17 drafted players.[/b:738b3c6c30] All players taken during the live draft must be on your autodraft card. Failure to do so will result in a penalty of 10 Tour points for each player.
The 10-point penalty can be avoided if the manager does ALL of the following:
A) Announce his mistake to the league via a message to every manager in the league and then proclaim his intention to pick the player back up during waivers. He must do this by 9 p.m. ET on the night after the draft runs (i.e., the day BEFORE the waivers process).
B) Cut his most expensive non-live drafted player prior to 12 p.m. ET on the day waivers are scheduled to run.
C) Use his first waiver claim on the player he left off his draft card; if he decides to release a player in conjunction with this claim, the player he releases must be one of the additional eight players he picked up during the autodraft and cannot be one of the players he selected in the live draft. In addition, he must announce which player he will be releasing so that every manager will be aware that this player will be in the free agent pool immediately after the waivers conclude.
If a manager leaves two players he live drafted off his draft card, he must follow each of the steps above for BOTH players he did not draft, which means he has to cut his two most expensive non-live drafted players by 12 p.m. ET on the day waivers are scheduled to run AND use his first two waiver picks to pick up his live drafted players.
If a manager leaves three or more players he live drafted off his draft card, he is fined 10 points per player more than 2, assuming he adheres to A and B in this section. If a manager chooses not to do ALL OF THE ABOVE, he will be penalized 10 points off his Tour point total for EACH player he left off his draft card and did not pick back up during waivers.
In addition, if you mistakenly autodraft a player that belongs to another manager, you must trade him back to the rightful manager PRIOR to waivers. Failure to do so will result in a penalty of 10 Tour points.[/b][/quote:738b3c6c30]
I'm guessing these are the rules teepack is going by. But I forgot they were not included at the start of this year, because nobody knew then if Penn's site would be available for live drafts. However, they were in effect last year, and from teepack's posts, it seems he considers them still in effect this year.
As I recall, they were adopted to address problems that came up in the past. The reason for putting all AD picks at the top was to prevent anybody from doing so "illegally" to guarantee they'd get all their picks.
I'd suggest teepack re-post these rules for future live drafts.
Meanwhile, since I now know that's really what you want, I'll go back and put my AD picks at the bottom.
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