Gentlmen- We have an official RAT in the tour!
by geekor » Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:28 am
[quote:9f40fbcbbd]The last time I checked I have not broken any rules. So regardless of how you feel, which means nothing to me, go take a walk. [/quote:9f40fbcbbd]
Have you read the FAQ/Rules?
Look what I posted above, and then tell me again how you didn't break any rules?
Have you read the FAQ/Rules?
Look what I posted above, and then tell me again how you didn't break any rules?
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by spicki17 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:40 am
i dont agree w/ everyone attacking gstanis. no question he shouldnt have dropped his team.
i dont agree w/ everyone attacking teepack. he is doing the best job he can.
someone hit the nail right on the head above, saying its TSN's fault. and it is. they make 100 players * 5 teams on average * 25 bucks a team (=12-13,000 bucks) on us and cant segregate players or dedicate one of their resources for a few hours a week to ensure this runs smoothly.
stop point fingers at others...its getting us no where. and to put in my 2 cents, this league should be thrown out and re-run free on TSN since they poorly managed it.
lastly, PBTR, it does suck to not have one of the better players on the tour and their should be a committee, but even if there is isn't, you shouldn't be such a baby and not play :D
i dont agree w/ everyone attacking teepack. he is doing the best job he can.
someone hit the nail right on the head above, saying its TSN's fault. and it is. they make 100 players * 5 teams on average * 25 bucks a team (=12-13,000 bucks) on us and cant segregate players or dedicate one of their resources for a few hours a week to ensure this runs smoothly.
stop point fingers at others...its getting us no where. and to put in my 2 cents, this league should be thrown out and re-run free on TSN since they poorly managed it.
lastly, PBTR, it does suck to not have one of the better players on the tour and their should be a committee, but even if there is isn't, you shouldn't be such a baby and not play :D
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by Woody5 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:41 am
cminton did his mistake by accident. Even if he did it on purpose, we cant prove it.
gstains- Yours is an easy case to prove guilty. You cried like a little baby and then dropped all of your players.
There is a distinct difference here!
I am not taking your right to be upset away from you. 81 games with Lopez is a lot. Did cmiton screw up?....Yes!
You took it to another level and did your on purpose. You intentionally tanked 3 games and there is no if/ands/or buts about it.
geekor's post covers your infraction very specifically.
You should be Gone!
There will be only one of us who takes a walk.
And good luck trying to get in another tour event or theme league. I and many others are not even going to join an auto league with you in it.
See ya!
gstains- Yours is an easy case to prove guilty. You cried like a little baby and then dropped all of your players.
There is a distinct difference here!
I am not taking your right to be upset away from you. 81 games with Lopez is a lot. Did cmiton screw up?....Yes!
You took it to another level and did your on purpose. You intentionally tanked 3 games and there is no if/ands/or buts about it.
geekor's post covers your infraction very specifically.
You should be Gone!
There will be only one of us who takes a walk.
And good luck trying to get in another tour event or theme league. I and many others are not even going to join an auto league with you in it.
See ya!
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by teepack » Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:55 am
OK, guys, to clarify a few things:
The Player's Championship is not a TSN product or brainchild. That has been clear from the beginning. It is a "friendly" competition created by the SOM on-line community for our amusement and entertainment. Nothing more, nothing less. TSN got involved this year to give away some prizes and help publicize the event so we could get more people involved. But that is it. So please do not try to hold TSN accountable for the Tour or act like they have some responsibility to police us.
I am not an employee by TSN and am not being paid for serving as The Commissioner. I have a full-time job, three small kids and a wife who is seven months pregnant. I have plenty on my plate. I can't check every team's roster to make sure they don't have any illegal players or to make sure that managers don't using repeat stadiums or don't have relievers go over 200 innings pitched. The leagues have to police themselves, and we have to rely on the managers to abide by the rules. Most people on the Tour are reasonable and will gladly play by the rules.
When there is a rules violation, we'll deal with it and move on. I believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt whenever possible. For instance, earlier this year a manager picked the same stadium two leagues in a row. Yet that stadium had the exact same dimensions as another stadium (I can't remember which ones they are). Since he had made this selection in a live draft via proxy and said that he had gotten confused about which stadium he had already used, I gave him the benefit of the doubt, told him to consider that he had used both stadiums with the same dimensions, and didn't penalize him. I am also in the NL league where the manager had an AL player on his roster for 60 games. Once he figured it out, he alerted the league, dropped the player and we moved on. Nobody raised a stink about it.
This is a fun competition. All I ask is that you don't take it too seriously, don't call anybody names or make threats, and please don't say that I rule a certain way because of the Good Old Boy network. I don't take into account who a manager is, how long he's played or anything like that when I make a decision. I just look at the facts and not the names.
The Player's Championship is not a TSN product or brainchild. That has been clear from the beginning. It is a "friendly" competition created by the SOM on-line community for our amusement and entertainment. Nothing more, nothing less. TSN got involved this year to give away some prizes and help publicize the event so we could get more people involved. But that is it. So please do not try to hold TSN accountable for the Tour or act like they have some responsibility to police us.
I am not an employee by TSN and am not being paid for serving as The Commissioner. I have a full-time job, three small kids and a wife who is seven months pregnant. I have plenty on my plate. I can't check every team's roster to make sure they don't have any illegal players or to make sure that managers don't using repeat stadiums or don't have relievers go over 200 innings pitched. The leagues have to police themselves, and we have to rely on the managers to abide by the rules. Most people on the Tour are reasonable and will gladly play by the rules.
When there is a rules violation, we'll deal with it and move on. I believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt whenever possible. For instance, earlier this year a manager picked the same stadium two leagues in a row. Yet that stadium had the exact same dimensions as another stadium (I can't remember which ones they are). Since he had made this selection in a live draft via proxy and said that he had gotten confused about which stadium he had already used, I gave him the benefit of the doubt, told him to consider that he had used both stadiums with the same dimensions, and didn't penalize him. I am also in the NL league where the manager had an AL player on his roster for 60 games. Once he figured it out, he alerted the league, dropped the player and we moved on. Nobody raised a stink about it.
This is a fun competition. All I ask is that you don't take it too seriously, don't call anybody names or make threats, and please don't say that I rule a certain way because of the Good Old Boy network. I don't take into account who a manager is, how long he's played or anything like that when I make a decision. I just look at the facts and not the names.
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by visick » Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:27 pm
from the rules...
"* Tanking. You may not intentionally throw games, under any circumstances."
Umm...has anyone been in a position where they may have a big lead in first place, and have a few injured players on their team?
Perhaps during the last week of the season or last 6-9 games, they've "rested" these players?
Maybe a loss or 2 during this time wasn't going to hurt you so long as these players were healthy for the playoffs.
I'm a chiropractor, NOT an attorney BUT couldn't this be construed as "Tanking"? You're not trying to win games, just trying to stay healthy.
Teepack, I see your point to a certain degree.
We all are, to a certain degree busy with our lives. I've got a wife and 2 young kids that take up alot of my time.
As Commish though,you are responsible for the league. If there are boundaries and restrictions to a league, you have to be the enforcer here.
Are you in other leagues where there are restrictions to what players you can use, and your also the commish?
I'm only commisioner of a league when I can devote time to it.
I do know that it does take only 5 minutes or so to police a league for "illegal" players. I'm not saying that I'm a speed reader here or that I've got a super computer here or anything, BUT it's not very time consuming.
I'm playing or have played recently in 3 theme leagues. A Coors league (Pitchers under 2 million), a 2 team theme, and the Iron Glove, where players over 3 defensively only are used. I'm not the commsioner in any of these leagues, BUT I've had the chance on a few occasions to monitor each team.
While I am siding with gstains on this one, dumping of your team is not the answer. He may have intentionally ruined 3 games, from what I can see, but 81 games were unintentionally/intentionally were tainted.
FWIW- At a local high school, here in SoCal., an illegal player was found on a team. Whether he influenced games or not, the high school had to forfeit their 2 wins. (They were 2-0) and the illegal player had to be dropped.
"* Tanking. You may not intentionally throw games, under any circumstances."
Umm...has anyone been in a position where they may have a big lead in first place, and have a few injured players on their team?
Perhaps during the last week of the season or last 6-9 games, they've "rested" these players?
Maybe a loss or 2 during this time wasn't going to hurt you so long as these players were healthy for the playoffs.
I'm a chiropractor, NOT an attorney BUT couldn't this be construed as "Tanking"? You're not trying to win games, just trying to stay healthy.
Teepack, I see your point to a certain degree.
We all are, to a certain degree busy with our lives. I've got a wife and 2 young kids that take up alot of my time.
As Commish though,you are responsible for the league. If there are boundaries and restrictions to a league, you have to be the enforcer here.
Are you in other leagues where there are restrictions to what players you can use, and your also the commish?
I'm only commisioner of a league when I can devote time to it.
I do know that it does take only 5 minutes or so to police a league for "illegal" players. I'm not saying that I'm a speed reader here or that I've got a super computer here or anything, BUT it's not very time consuming.
I'm playing or have played recently in 3 theme leagues. A Coors league (Pitchers under 2 million), a 2 team theme, and the Iron Glove, where players over 3 defensively only are used. I'm not the commsioner in any of these leagues, BUT I've had the chance on a few occasions to monitor each team.
While I am siding with gstains on this one, dumping of your team is not the answer. He may have intentionally ruined 3 games, from what I can see, but 81 games were unintentionally/intentionally were tainted.
FWIW- At a local high school, here in SoCal., an illegal player was found on a team. Whether he influenced games or not, the high school had to forfeit their 2 wins. (They were 2-0) and the illegal player had to be dropped.
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by cminton » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:04 pm
Once again, I publicly apologize to teepack, the Tour and my league. I am responsible for my team. I did not do this intentionally, but that is not an excuse. (If I did want to slip an NL player on my roster, I would not draft him in front of everyone in the league on Penn's site.)
This is supposed to be a game and fun for us. I assume we do this as a diversion from our busy, daily lives. Leave teepack alone. I do not have nearly enough time to be the commish here. I am thankful that teepack does it. I have been commissioner for many fantasy leagues and am one now. It is a time-consuming, thankless job.
The idea that teepack should check everyone's roster is insane. The only way to check the rosters perfectly is to pull up every team and then click on every name. Unless you know every player by heart, you need to see the card to see what team they are on. (It is not displayed on team rosters.) The Tour has been averaging 12 leagues. He would have to go to the link for each league, then to each team, and then to each card. That's 3,600 cards. That's one hour per second it takes to get to each card. I think it would take several seconds per card. That's several hours of clicking on links. I do not expect him to do that.
As for my punishment, from the beginning, I have said that it would be reasonable to give me a zero for this league. I do think if I participate in enough leagues to drop one, I should be able to drop the zero. I made the mistake, so let's assume that without Lopez I would not have won any games. (If you do this, however, I do think that should apply to anyone who used an illegal player - whether it is Pujols, Lopez, Myers or a $0.50 scrub. You have to be consistent) gstanis has suggested that I have to include the zero when my average is calculated. You might as well kick me out of the Tour. To make the top twelve It's going to take a 100 average. I would need four scores of 125 to get to a 100 average after including a zero. I do not think this deserves being kicked out of the Tour.
As for tanking, it is well understood and condoned for teams to bench top players in the games leading into playoffs if you have clinched a playoff spot. You're doing that to protect your best players, not to sabotage the league. You're actually "penalized" in the Tour for it, because if you lose a few games as a result, that can cost you a half point on your tour average. (Positions 10-14 are currently separated by one point. That's five losses, so bench players at your own peril.) In any case, this is very different from dropping all your players for $0.50 scrubs. We all know the difference..
Lastly, on the rules, it is nearly impossible to write down rules that cover every situation. In fact, the harder you try, the more loopholes you create. The real job of the Commissioner is to understand the intent of every rule and to make decisions that make sense and are in the best interests of the league. That's what we trust teepack to do. The rest of us should thank teepack for managing the league and respect his decisions.
The only advice I have for future tour events is to use themes that are easy to control within the switches/controls provided by TSN. That is, if TSN does not have a switch to limit the player pool to AL or NL, let's not do a league that is AL/NL only.
This is supposed to be a game and fun for us. I assume we do this as a diversion from our busy, daily lives. Leave teepack alone. I do not have nearly enough time to be the commish here. I am thankful that teepack does it. I have been commissioner for many fantasy leagues and am one now. It is a time-consuming, thankless job.
The idea that teepack should check everyone's roster is insane. The only way to check the rosters perfectly is to pull up every team and then click on every name. Unless you know every player by heart, you need to see the card to see what team they are on. (It is not displayed on team rosters.) The Tour has been averaging 12 leagues. He would have to go to the link for each league, then to each team, and then to each card. That's 3,600 cards. That's one hour per second it takes to get to each card. I think it would take several seconds per card. That's several hours of clicking on links. I do not expect him to do that.
As for my punishment, from the beginning, I have said that it would be reasonable to give me a zero for this league. I do think if I participate in enough leagues to drop one, I should be able to drop the zero. I made the mistake, so let's assume that without Lopez I would not have won any games. (If you do this, however, I do think that should apply to anyone who used an illegal player - whether it is Pujols, Lopez, Myers or a $0.50 scrub. You have to be consistent) gstanis has suggested that I have to include the zero when my average is calculated. You might as well kick me out of the Tour. To make the top twelve It's going to take a 100 average. I would need four scores of 125 to get to a 100 average after including a zero. I do not think this deserves being kicked out of the Tour.
As for tanking, it is well understood and condoned for teams to bench top players in the games leading into playoffs if you have clinched a playoff spot. You're doing that to protect your best players, not to sabotage the league. You're actually "penalized" in the Tour for it, because if you lose a few games as a result, that can cost you a half point on your tour average. (Positions 10-14 are currently separated by one point. That's five losses, so bench players at your own peril.) In any case, this is very different from dropping all your players for $0.50 scrubs. We all know the difference..
Lastly, on the rules, it is nearly impossible to write down rules that cover every situation. In fact, the harder you try, the more loopholes you create. The real job of the Commissioner is to understand the intent of every rule and to make decisions that make sense and are in the best interests of the league. That's what we trust teepack to do. The rest of us should thank teepack for managing the league and respect his decisions.
The only advice I have for future tour events is to use themes that are easy to control within the switches/controls provided by TSN. That is, if TSN does not have a switch to limit the player pool to AL or NL, let's not do a league that is AL/NL only.
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by pacoboy » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:24 pm
Let's see, if girly stains were in charge then....
1 - The A's and Giants would replay the 90 World Series cause Canseco admitted he did steroids
2 - Mr. Goldman would be legally allowed to shoot OJ and the 12 jurors
3 - .....and the Steeleers / Seahawks would replay the SB due to the bad calls.
Sounds fair
1 - The A's and Giants would replay the 90 World Series cause Canseco admitted he did steroids
2 - Mr. Goldman would be legally allowed to shoot OJ and the 12 jurors
3 - .....and the Steeleers / Seahawks would replay the SB due to the bad calls.
Sounds fair
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