good old Jimmy Palmer

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good old Jimmy Palmer

Postby pyramid1 » Mon May 09, 2011 12:44 pm

after five starts he is 0-3 with 40.2 innings pitched giving up 40 hits and 30 walks. Am I reading something wrong on his cards? Is there something I'm missing here? Which one of his seasons warrents such abuse?
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Postby YountFan » Mon May 09, 2011 6:35 pm

The word on the street is he does not pitch to his card for most people. You must be one of them
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Postby canauscot » Mon May 09, 2011 9:06 pm

Palmer's cards are my #2 disappointment with the 70's set (after Lynn not having 1975). Palmer was one of my heroes and while the seasons selected are relatively representative, I simply do not see how the actual cards can recreate those results. The cards are not worth the money.
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1972 Palmer in Metropolitan Stadium

Postby Ducky » Mon May 09, 2011 10:25 pm

http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/70s/team/team_other.html?user_id=86766&stats=splits&onroster=1

Definitely not pitching to the numbers. Looking at his card for the 1972 season, it doesn't look like that card would ever produce those numbers.
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Postby JONCHUCKERY » Mon May 09, 2011 10:46 pm

I've talked about this for, oh I don't know, years now...Palmer doesn't have 2 of his Cy Young seasons from the 70's and you could argue pretty easy he's missing his best season from the 70's (1975)...I'm not sure what SOM has against using 1975 cards...I say that because you don't have either MVP, either Cy Young, and only one ROY card as choices...Palmer is arguably the most under performing superstar season for season in the 70's game.
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Postby hallerose » Tue May 10, 2011 7:51 am

You need to understand context. He pitched in a very favorable pitchers park throughout his career, he had teams like the Indians and Brewers in his division to pitch against all the time, and most importantly he had the best defense in baseball behind him (Belanger 1ss, Brooks 1 3b, Blair 1 cf, Grich 1 2b, etc.), all of which makes his strat card underperform its numbers.
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Postby pkwmati » Tue May 10, 2011 9:58 am

[quote:1ba60231ca="hallerose"]and most importantly he had the best defense in baseball behind him (Belanger 1ss, Brooks 1 3b, Blair 1 cf, Grich 1 2b, etc.), all of which makes his strat card underperform its numbers.[/quote:1ba60231ca]

That is an outstanding point. The cards are supposed to be designed to reproduce their numbers in a stock league with all things equal.

I agree with jmc316 too. There are way too many marquee seasons missing from some of these guys. Not having 1975 Fred Lynn is terrible.
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Postby pyramid1 » Tue May 10, 2011 12:51 pm

Matlack+Palmer+Jenkins+Rau=3rd worst pitching staff in the league.
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Postby JONCHUCKERY » Tue May 10, 2011 10:29 pm

[quote:4d158f578b="hallerose"]You need to understand context. He pitched in a very favorable pitchers park throughout his career, he had teams like the Indians and Brewers in his division to pitch against all the time, and most importantly he had the best defense in baseball behind him (Belanger 1ss, Brooks 1 3b, Blair 1 cf, Grich 1 2b, etc.), all of which makes his strat card underperform its numbers.[/quote:4d158f578b]

All very good points but he also had Fenway Park, Tiger Std, and Yankee Std (where as a RHP no lefty bat ever sat) in his division. He also pitched most of the 70's with the DH in place, and in real life never surrendered a grand slam in his career...its all about the eye test...a guy who won 3 Cy Youngs in the decade, had the most wins in the decade, and was a HOFer should perform better
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Palmer won 21 games for me

Postby Larryrickenbacker » Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:12 pm

Howdy,

Had Palmer on one of my thoroughly average Astrodome teams. He finished with a 21-13 record and a 1.28 WHIP. This squad also featured Bowa at SS and a "1" in CF, fwiw.
Recently I opted for Jim Hunter over Palmer. I'm still not sure I made the right choice, as Hunter can be vulnerable to lefties. YMMV.
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