Unbalanced Trades

[voovits]

I hardly think that was a trade worth reversing. It may or may not have been unbalanced, but there was no clear cut evidence of collusion.
Assuming in the long run it was a very unbalanced trade, just because the manager, new or experienced, makes a bad move is no reason to undo it.
Did MLB rescind the trade when the Mets sent Scott Kazmir to the Rays for Victor Zambrano because it was one of the dumbest trades in the history of baseball? Nope, even though us Met fans wish they did...
It's just something you have to deal with and move on. Consider it a learning experience for the manager who makes the bad trade.

[Ducky]

[quote:7f00e39833="YountFan"]I don't see the trade as unbalanced at all. You need to factor in park, division and W/L record. If I was losing I might take a chance on Strawberry and Hojo. Both have the potential to be much better than Oliver and Knight specially if moving to a hitters park. We all know 100 ab is nothing and cards play hot and cold.

Also if you want to make a trade you need to over pay because everyone is a afraid you are ripping them off (dumping slugs).

I am not sure rejecting it is any better/worse than accepting it. People learn to play the game in different ways, but then I am confused as to who offer what to who now.[/quote:7f00e39833]

YF,

I received Oliver in his best year, Knight in his 3rd, 4th or 5th best year, Lavelle for Strawberry in his 4th best and Hojo and Lopez.

Mike

[Jimmy_C]

It doesn't look like a nasty unbalanced trade, especially when the manager who offered the trade is just trying to improve his team. I'll say it again...

Trades are really hard to complete, and having to face a review board would make them even harder.

[Jimmy_C]

[quote:2caa134cad]Did MLB rescind the trade when the Mets sent Scott Kazmir to the Rays for Victor Zambrano because it was one of the dumbest trades in the history of baseball?[/quote:2caa134cad]
UGH...Why'd you have to bring that up Voovits. :(

[voovits]

[quote:db93d566d4="Jimmy_C"][quote:db93d566d4]Did MLB rescind the trade when the Mets sent Scott Kazmir to the Rays for Victor Zambrano because it was one of the dumbest trades in the history of baseball?[/quote:db93d566d4]
UGH...Why'd you have to bring that up Voovits. :([/quote:db93d566d4]

Though it hurt at the time, enough time has passed that I could look back on the trade and just laugh at the stupidity of it. It's done, there's no undoing it, so I try to move on. Besides, it was the last move the old regime made before Minaya came in.

Everyone makes bad moves, both in pro and fantasy.
I hold the distinction of making the single, most boneheaded move in the history of trading.
In a fantasy football league back in 2003 I had a horrible team, but with just 1 good player, Peyton Manning. In that league RBs are the most coveted players, yet Manning was tearing up the league.
To make a long story short, there were more than these 2 players involved, but in a desperate move to get a running back, I made a trade which was essentially Peyton Manning for Charlie Garner, who ended up retiring at the end of the year. The worst part, is that it is a keeper league.
Even after leaving the league a few years later, my friends still hound me for making the dumbest trade ever.
It wasn't collusion, just stupidity.

[chrisfu]

Some time has passed so the stats have been added to since the trade, but my perception is/was that one person got

Al Oliver, 228 AB, 11 HR, .347 avg, .566 slug
Ray Knight, 163 AB, 7 HR, .325 avg, .534 slug
and Gary Lavelle to be dropped for 2 million in cash

the other got
Darryl Strawberry, 92 AB, 5 HR, .196 avg, .391 slug
HoJo, 179 AB, 5 HR, .229 avg, .352 Slug
and a bad reliever

I thought and think it was unbalanced. My point is not to argue that, I could be wrong. I know that players can over and under perform. Others who have posted have played far longer than I have. But I did want to know if you see a trade that looks unbalanced, what do you do, how do you protest, is there any way to address this with TSN? My questions have been answered. I appreciate the responses. To the two that made the trade, I didn't mean to be offensive or insulting, it looked unbalanced to me, I didn't know how to voice my displeasure in a way that would allow you to respond. Or I didn't do it well. Trades are difficult to make. Again, thanks for the responses.

[AdamKatz]

keep playing the game. You are going to see far worse trades.

[fatdaddy054]

I tend to watch the waiver wire preseason. You can get a feel for people who have more than one account or are working with others, after i identify them, i avoid the leagues they are in.

[FletchGriswold]

The thing that was disheartening about the deal is, the rookie manager was trading what seemed to be two of his better performing hitters (Oliver & Knight) for a pair of big named players who were underperforming.

If there's ever been a BTT80's manager with an itchy trigger finger and Lou Pinella patience, it's me :lol: But no matter how bad my record is, the last thing I do is trade away two of my better performing hitters. I'll unload a superstar who's sucking it up before that - even when it's only 100 AB's.

That's the perception that stirred up some other managers.

Now if it was JimmyC making that same trade with FletchGriswold, nobody would have said a word. It's just the fact it was a rookie and a vet pulling the trigger on the deal. (Did I just reference myself in the third person?... :shock: )

I don't blame Mike at all - after all, he didn't offer the trade, himself. It just didn't look good. But, to each their own. I give Mike a lot of credit for putting up with a couple of pure jacka$$ managers in that league and offering the trade back.

I'll continue enjoying the leagues with Mike.

[chess2899]

I like to offer trades that are WIN-WIN. There is satisfaction knowing that a trade helped both teams achieve their goals.

However, I have had managers offer me great deals. The problem is if you accept, you get tortured by other teams in the league blaming you for accepting a one sided deal. The problem is, if you reject the offer, Mr. Bozo will offer the deal to someone else, most likely in your division, and then your $24.95 is wasted for 2 months.

The mystery game can even out some bad trades especially if Mr. Bozo gets a good year and I get the one bad year from my "steal" of a trade.

You'll never eliminate Bozo mamagers. That is part of the game. Mike was generous to offer the trade back to his Mr. Bozo. Most are not and I don't know if I can be that kind. Trades are part of the game, in Fantasy and in Major League Baseball. Sometimes you can the peanut and sometimes you get the shell.