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Postby voovits » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:53 pm

Just remember something when it comes to letting HAL choose between 2 players.
HAL has a strong favor toward defense, so if you're going to have him choose between a 1(-3)e6 vrs a 4(0)e8 in the outfield, HAL will choose the better defense 99% of the time.
In my my round 4 80s tournament league, HAL was starting Pat Sheridan (2(-1)e7) in RF over Jack Clark and his 3(0)e10 (88 or 89, not sure). I would not start any of Sheridans cards in the OF over any of Clarks cards.
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Postby ROBERTLATORRE » Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:26 am

[quote:ce2f4ce66a="voovits"]Just remember something when it comes to letting HAL choose between 2 players.
HAL has a strong favor toward defense, so if you're going to have him choose between a 1(-3)e6 vrs a 4(0)e8 in the outfield, HAL will choose the better defense 99% of the time.
In my my round 4 80s tournament league, HAL was starting Pat Sheridan (2(-1)e7) in RF over Jack Clark and his 3(0)e10 (88 or 89, not sure). I would not start any of Sheridans cards in the OF over any of Clarks cards.[/quote:ce2f4ce66a]

Thanks voovits, based on your 20-4 start in the league we are in together, all suggestions will be considered the "gospel according to voovits" !!!!

Feel free to lose a game or two, 126 RS and 73 RA...c'mon....that CAN'T continue for a whole season!
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Postby voovits » Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:32 pm

[quote:4c1976dc90="latorrer"]
Thanks voovits, based on your 20-4 start in the league we are in together, all suggestions will be considered the "gospel according to voovits" !!!!

Feel free to lose a game or two, 126 RS and 73 RA...c'mon....that CAN'T continue for a whole season![/quote:4c1976dc90]

It's mostly luck. I mean, look at my bullpen, all 5 of the guys look like they're playing on top cards.
It won't last all season, I just had an injury reveal on Lezcano last night. HBP+inj = 1975 = DROP
His stats up to that point:
89AB 8DO 1TR 3HR .315AVG .914OPS

I was wondering when I'd start losing, and now that you mentioned my team on the board, I know for sure it'll be tonight. =)

Edit: BTW I was curious as to my bullpens combined stats up to this point, so I did the math.

7-1 record 14 saves 77 1/3 IP 1.40ERA 0.98WHIP
Needless to say, 3 out of my 4 starters are on quick hook, and 2 of them are on max 6IP per start.
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Postby gutter huggers » Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:57 pm

Hal is abnormal and strange.

That what does not destroy my team, makes it stronger. (A ripoff of a Nietsche quote, and no, he never managed the Red Sox.)
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Postby latertaters » Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:24 pm

I'm in two leagues now where a manager or two are using the, "If Hal doesn't play him, drop him" rule. Or if he bats a potential stud low in the order drop him.....If Hal can give relative correct guidence in the first 2-3 series, it ruins the spirit of the "Mystery Card" concept. So far, I think Hal's direction hasn't been foul proof, but correct most of the time....for me, a disturbing development.....might as well play only the "static" games instead..possible change could be, if you do not turn in a active lineup, you forfeit those games, may sound severe, but would correct the problem...its being done in the 70's as well....
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Postby LMBombers » Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:41 pm

I don't believe in that strategy because HAL is a dummy. I welcome others to try it in leagues I am in. :twisted:
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Postby latertaters » Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:49 pm

hope you're right, the teams in my two leagues that used the strategies are not leading their respective divisions.....so maybe there is hope.....that Hal is a dumb as we thought......
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Postby voovits » Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:20 pm

I am 100% convinced that HAL does know what he's doing. The problem is that he follows a strict logic and bases his decisions on that logic. That in on its own isn't the problem, but the problem lies in that HAL logic, does not always match up to human logic.
I would be willing to bet anything that there is some sort of code built into HAL that calculates every aspect of the players in question (all based on the percentages of the card the player is using) and those calculations generate something that helps him determine who to play, where, and in what order.
You can't convince me that HAL just randomly chooses a player and then randomly chooses the spot in the lineup for him.
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Postby LMBombers » Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:37 am

Even if there is a HAL logic to who he puts into a blank lineup and where he bats them it doesn't help anyone out unless they can understand and quickly make decisions based on that "logic". I don't know of anyone that can understand HAL's lineup logic in a series or two.

I've seen some guys put into a lineup vs LHP in game 1 and NOT be used vs a LHP in game 2. There is no way to understand what is going on in the short time needed to determine what cards you might have been dealt. There are way too many variables to comprehend. Therefore trying to use this system to evaluate talent quickly is of no use IMO.

If my team is going to struggle I want it to struggle based on my decisions and not HAL's. :lol:
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This is an interesting discussion

Postby cslaw3239 » Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:27 pm

Thanks for everyone's ideas so far. I am a novice Back to the 80s player (in the middle of my second season) and I'm still trying to figure out reading cards.

Early in my second season, I let HAL pick my lineups for a few games. I couldn't believe he kept starting UL Washington, my utility IF, and batting him cleanup against lefties.

Upon closer examination, I realized I must have UL's 82 card, and he has a 1.090 OPS vs. lefties in 85 ABs

This left me with very little confidence that I knew what I was doing setting a lineup - I probably would have left UL on the bench most of the season.

So the question of whether or not to let HAL set the lineup comes down to experience - I'm still learning how to read cards, so I'm happy to let HAL reveal anything I can get, and I've been letting him set my lineup for most of the season.

On the flip side, I have Puckett's 89 card, and he keeps batting Kirby 7th even though he's hitting .310...strange.

Overall, this game is awesome, glad i found it...keep the advice for noobies coming!!
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