Vote: Btt70s - trading shuffles the year?

[bernieh]

Hiya,

The Biomechanical Man reminded me of an feature we added to the FantaSim game that I would really like to add to the upcoming Back to the '70s game, but I wanted to make sure you were all in favor of it first. I like the idea, so here's my pitch for it.

The feature is as follows:
[quote:82fa2876c4][color=darkblue:82fa2876c4]When you make a trade with another team for a player, that player's assigned year is randomly shuffled again and a new year is assigned for him, for your team. It could turn out that he is assigned the same year as before, if the shuffler hits upon that 1-in-5 chance. This feature is to introduce more excitement to the act of making deals, and to replicate the mystique of a player's change of scenery.

[b:82fa2876c4]- Exception: A player's year does NOT change if he is returning to a previous team.
- A player's year does NOT change if he is dropped and/or picked up as a free agent.[/b:82fa2876c4]

Example: Team A has a 1971 Bobby Bonds, and trades him to Team B. Bonds' year is shuffled and turns into 1977 for Team B. If Team A makes another trade to get Bonds back, OR if Bonds if somehow dropped to the free agent pool and Team A picks him up again, he'll return to the original year he had on Team A: 1971.[/color:82fa2876c4][/quote:82fa2876c4]
I like this feature a lot because it encourages you to acquire talent by trades rather than just using the (free-assessing) lottery of dead souls that is the free agent pool.

In another thread about this issue, Jimmy_C pointed out a way he says this can be used for collusive purposes:
[quote:82fa2876c4]If Adam and I are in a league, and he has the worst Brett card, and I have the worst Schmidt card (for instance)...it becomes a no-brainer trade because we will each get a better year after we trade.[/quote:82fa2876c4]
My response: in my opinion that's minor, because 1) [i:82fa2876c4]of course[/i:82fa2876c4] it's in both of your best interests to propose trades that benefit both sides, and 2) you can collude using trades as it is - and such practice is ostensibly suppressed by your eagle-eyed leaguemates and our Collusion Policy, and it would apply here as well.

So I'm putting this to a vote. I won't just take the majority's side on it, though, because I don't want to do anything that will displease too many people. So how about this: I'll only add the new feature if there is at least a 65% vote in favor of it.

[Panzer ace]

No! NO! NO! :evil:
This would just open the door to collusion. It would mean that 'studs' with 1 bad year would never have a bad year. You would just trade them and they would be great every time. You could also never make a 'value for value' trade because you lose the card you were trading for. If this is a default rule, I would never play BTT 70's.

[Ducky]

As I stated on a previous thread, I for one will not play the '70's if trades result in a shuffling of the deck. When a trade is made between two managers, each manager should have a relatively good idea of what they are getting. With a shuffling of the deck, nobody will know what they are getting. Teams should not be able to trade two poor peforming players in hopes they will get better cards.

Mike

[Hakmusic]

No! No! No! Uh-uh, no way, forget it.





Unless it was an optional advanced feature like no-DH where you could use it in a league specifically designed to use it. But otherwise, no way!

[Jimmy_C]

Bernie...I had to think about this a bit after reading your explanation. As you say...it is currently used in FantaSim which I haven't played yet (I really DO have to get out more). I'm guessing that it works there OK.

However, as an example, the last trade I made was '84 Barry Larkin for "not sure of the year" Tony Fernandez. My "hook" in the trade was the fact that it was '84 Larkin (his 2nd best OPS year)...I wanted Tony for his defense and his immunity from the 15 game injury. I'm pretty sure that DurantJerry would not have agreed to the trade if there was a chance he would then end up with a crummy Larkin card for his effort.

Sorry Bernie...I had to vote against.

[canauscot]

I did try the fanta-sim once (but I didn't inhale).

The shuffle just had a senseless churning feel. You weren't building a team, just trying to do as many deals as possible to try and snag a top year.

I definitely would not want it as the main game.

[UGLYJERRY]

I have to agree with the majority, I would not play the 70's if that was a condition. I would not mind if it was an option as long as I knew that everyone in the league knew about it such as a theme league. Just my opinion.

Ugly

[bernieh]

Okay, okay! :)

Point taken. Issue dropped. At least I asked, right? Hey, less work for me now.

[UGLYJERRY]

As long as you are happy Bernie, because you will be making a lot of us very happy very soon.

Ugly

[JIMDAKE]

Shortest-lived idea ever?