Question

[Barbie Girl]

How is Jose Deleon worth $6.25 million? He only has two good cards. His 1985 season card is 2 wins and 19 losses.

I have never used him, maybe I should. But why?

:?

[chess2899]

I have seen him sucessful at times because of low ball park effect. He won't be homered to death in hitting parks.

At Riverfront, expect a 4.78 era, 1.25 to 1.35 whip.

Is he too expensive? I think so. I can get lucky and find a cheaper pitcher that can give me the same stats.

Is he worth trying? I think so if you have adequate cash flow because he'll keep you in the game for awhile.

Will I pick him before the season? No, he is 2nd tier.

[Barbie Girl]

Mike Scott seems like a much better value at a similar price. Joaquin Andujar [b:514e2afa8a]is[/b:514e2afa8a] a much better value for $1.1 million less. Although I do prefer Busch Stadium. Scott and Andujar are usually excellent in that park.

How do you think DeLeon would fit in Busch?

[LMBombers]

I don't think DeLeon is all that bad. His OBP is mostly walks which are not as bad as base hits.

[YountFan]

DeLeon (the Lion) problem is he leans pretty far to the right (which politically I am OK with), but in SOM where you tend to face lefties he can get hit. The lack of slugging on his card is the reason for the high price IMO.

The numbers look OK

4.00 era, 1.30 whip, 6,104 wins, 5,002 loses in 99,119t advised that 50% of these number come from his 1984 (3.76 1.24) and 1989 (3.52 1.15 ) seasons. The other three seasons he is a sub .500 pitcher with a 4.40 era 1.41 whip.
http://users1.jabry.com/stratrat/pitcher_cards80.asp?playerid=32927&ballpark=All

Now Scott has a 3.87 era, 1.23 whip, 9,394 wins, 7,534 loses in 152,505 innings with 80% on the numbers are coming from his 86 (3.25 1.12), 87 (3.86 1.25 ) and 89 (3.94 1.21) seasons, 84 is unusable and 85 is not too strong
http://users1.jabry.com/stratrat/pitcher_cards80.asp?playerid=40802&ballpark=All

And the aforementioned Andujar is 4.34 era, 1.35 whip, 6,607 wins, 5,944 loses in 110,352 innings with 60% of these numbers powered by two seasons, 82 (4.02 1.32) and 84 (4.08 1.25 ), The others are evening split about average about 4.81 1.46
http://users1.jabry.com/stratrat/pitcher_cards80.asp?playerid=30247&ballpark=All

What does all this mean? Start with Scott and use Andujar over DeLean, who can be a good 2dn option is you his the right season.

Personally, I like Burns (4.21 1.36 4,861 3,981 78,481), Viola (4.19 1.34 7,733 6,567 126,105), Browing (4.31 1.33 5,885 5,089 97,153) and Bannister (4.41 1.35 3,248 2,920 52,583), but then I like the lefties

[Barbie Girl]

I just picked up DeLeon. I dropped Carlton's '84 season to get him. Should I be slapped?

:shock:

[voovits]

I had DeLeon only one time, and he did OK. It was his 84 card which leans very heavy to the right.

http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/80s/playoffs/team_other.html?user_id=84719&stats=sim

All things considered though, it was only my 3rd team ever and I would not start with him on my roster from opening day today.

This roster also contains a very valuable lesson for new players, which I had to learn the hard way, like most of us.
Bob James on my roster has 4.1 IP with terrible stats. Well, he started on my team from opening day. After the awful start, I made him mop up, quick hool, avoid leftied/avoid righties/etc:. So HAL never used him for another pitch the rest of the season (don't ask why I didn't just drop him, I don't know why myself)
So anyway, considering the terrible stats over 4 innings pitched, take look at his revealed season. A veteran manager would have had more patience with him and would have reaped the benefits of what would have been a lights out bullpen. I, unfortunately stil had no idea what I was doing at the time. (and still don't!)

Anyway, I strayed off topic here, sorry.

I have never used Carlton before, but checking out the card, I don't think you'll get many arguments over releasing him.

[Barbie Girl]

[b:7647a9f85c][color=red:7647a9f85c]DeLeon[/color:7647a9f85c][/b:7647a9f85c]

:roll:

First start: 6.1 innings 9 hits 6 ER 1 BB 5 SO 8.53 ERA 1.58 WHIP

Second start in game one tonight.

I really should be slapped, shouldn't I?

:(


PS: Last night's opponent, jddoug's North Park Mall Cops (great name, BTW :D), picked up Carlton. He pitched a two run five hitter in a 3-2 win over Teddy Higuera, who also gave up only five hits.

:cry:

[b:7647a9f85c][color=darkblue:7647a9f85c]Carlton[/color:7647a9f85c][/b:7647a9f85c]

:|

PPS: The only good thing about DeLeon's first start was that it was a no decision. Roy Lee Jackson took the 7-6 loss.

[color=green:7647a9f85c][b:7647a9f85c]Roy Lee Jackson[/b:7647a9f85c][/color:7647a9f85c]

:lol:

[voovits]

It could have been worse, Carlton could have gotten the win against your team. You don't know how many times that's happened to me with players I've dropped.

Don't get yourself all worked up over dumping Carlton. Keeping him over DeLeon may have been the right move, but I'm sure there are still good pitchers out there that you could pick up. However, if you read that Bob James example I spoke about in my last post, it should at the very least tell you that you shouldn't base a card just on one start. Did the team you face have a lot of lefties in the lineup? That could have affected the game.
I'd give him at least 2-3 more starts.

[Barbie Girl]

Carlton did get the win!

:lol:

I have a history of making bonehead moves....a few leagues ago, I traded two early 12 game winners (Higuera and Andujar) from a team with a ten game lead. I held on to eleven game winner, Tudor (11-2, at the time). I traded for ten game winner Steve Rogers and Tony Gwynn. The other manager threw in 5-3 Mike Proly for 0-4 Andy Hawkins.

The outcome? Higuera and Andujar won another 12 games each for my opponent. Tudor finished 14-9. Rogers was 10-6, pre-trade. He finished 5-6 for me. Gwynn did what he always does. He hit .345. But I had to move around .325 hitting Willie McGee and 20 HR hitting Dale Murphy. McGee finished with a .300 BA. Murphy hit 33 HRs. Mike Proly was the bright spot of the trade for me. He went 7-1 with a 2.25 ERA, being used in spot starts and middle relief.

My ten game lead over my closest opponent....you guessed it: The manager I traded with....evaporated to a tie on closing night. However, I got the playoff slot because I won enough, over him, before the trade to have a slightly better head-to-head record.

The moral of the story? If you want one of my better players, just ask. I may be dumb enough to give them up.

:lol: