Old League Games

[JKolak]

Gross: tough 2001 season. Your offense was excellent. Your pitching sucked far more than I ever could have imagined. Pitching is tough in 2001 without individual player controls. I have a secret formula that seems to be working so far with "cheap" pitching. However, I will not divulge it. :P :P :P

It was the curse of two teams in the first league. Magic Alexx for having the best league record and falling short. Gross for having an overrated team that bombed.

[Coffeeholic]

[quote:a1d38ea5a2="JKolak"]That point system is interesting. In my opinion, a playoff berth should be worth 10 points and the league championship 20 additional points. Artemus had a great season. However, any great season that falls short of a championship should not be awarded with more points than the team that won the championship.

On the other hand, I am a bit late on this and should have checked how this thing would be scored when it was first posted.[/quote:a1d38ea5a2]

I have to say that I dis-agree with JKolak's assesment of the point system.

A) It was posted over 2 months ago that this was the system to be used. If there was any dis-agreement, it should have been discussed then. Very difficult to say we need a different point system after the fact (esp. since Joe would be the one benefitting the most from a change).

B) This is the point system that has been in place for the "Player's Tour" for a few years now. The system was reached as a compromise between the "pro season record" crowd and the "winning the ring" proponents. Each side is given merit under this set-up.

C) On a personal note, I am a pretty firm believer that the measure of skill in this game manifests itself over the long haul. To assemble and manage a team that succeeds over the course of 162 games, where the vagarities of the dice rolls tends to even out, is a truer indication of skill than winning a couple of short 5 and 7 games series. JKolak and ArtieRex played a 7 game series to decide the championship of our 2001 league. "Firsky" got the rolls in game 7, and hence the title. Congrats Joe, and well earned! But that 1 game shouldn't overshadow Alexx's regular season accomplishments where his 106 wins would have put him 10 games in front of your team.

[JKolak]

[quote:33e9a538cf]To assemble and manage a team that succeeds over the course of 162 games, where the vagarities of the dice rolls tends to even out, is a truer indication of skill than winning a couple of short 5 and 7 games series. [/quote:33e9a538cf]

Is it my fault that Alexx choked?

I probably agree with your assessment Coffee. As far as the scoring on The Tour, I played in the 2002 tour and that was it. Therefore, I am unfamilar with the scoring. Therefore, my ignorance is bliss.

I just need to step it up in 2002 and hopefully kick your *** after you kicked mine on my home field.

[ArtemusRex]

[quote:032f93e6ee="JKolak"]Given the fact that I lost the very first 7 and deciding game 7 contests in 2001 before I reversed my fortunes, this victory was most satisfying.

Tough one Alexx! Although it took me until my 8th playoff appearance and 11th 2001 team before I won my first ring. On the other hand, I really feel for you! You've had 18 teams and no ring in 2001. Better StratOLuck on your next endeavor.

A tip of the cap to Artemus Rex for shoving my pre-season prediction up my rear end with the the best league record.

Let's see where 2002 brings us.[/quote:032f93e6ee]

JK later said I choked when making the point about point distributions...Meh. As far as the point totals, Coffee posted them before we started this and no one disagreed and that was the time to do it. I agreed to those terms then so I have no problem now even though it does benefit me. I didn't change my mind after the fact.

Anyway, moving on. You will probably catch up on my better than expected 2002 team or my godawful 2003 team.

[ArtemusRex]

Yesterday was the day when I refocused back on my 2002 and 2003 teams after the 2001 heart break and my soon ending 16 fantasy football teams (5 are in Finals this weekend).

2002 has been a pleasant surprise as I am over .500 and in fifth or sixth place for the league. Problem is, I'm in third place for my division that is being lorded over my JK (!) as usual. I made an assessment like a good GM would in July or August that I could still make a run at the playoffs (especially with Old Leagues Points on the line (Coffee Pts?!?)).

Made a couple tweaks and I think I should do well. I have to work first on passing the Blacksmiths first which is no small feat as I've been hanging within +/- 2 games for the last month without making any changes. Brett Myers already won a close game and Vina and Grissom should prove to be a big boost over Alomar (who was ok) and Roberts (who I hadn't been using since about game 25 when I did a 3 way switch that put Roberts on the bench, Erstad in CF, Bagwell at 1B, Lo Duca at DH, and Barajas at C. Barajas now moves back to the bench except when Lo Duca is hurt or needs defensive help.

2003 is just godawful. I know alot of veterans (I guess by now I'm one too, just not in this card set), are politically opposed to just dropping players. Yes I did lose a couple of million but my team was .333 with a full roster. Doesn't get much worse than that. I know I'm probably out of it already, but I can at least make a showing in wins to get my Coffee points. :P

[gross54]

I lost 15 of 18 the three days I was gone for Xmas. I guess I should have went to midnight mass.

[Coffeeholic]

I don't think that any format has been agreed upon? I believe that JKolak merely made the suggestion of changing the seeding arrangement when we were loading our 2003 teams.

I see 4 variables to be considerred:

1) By putting the managers with the lower over-all point totals in divisions with the higher scoring managers, this would allow those with the lower scores the opportunity to catch up by beating out the high scoring guys for the division title/playoff points/etc. We could go with a 1/4/7/10 - 2/5/8/11 - 3/6/9/12 seeding based on over-all points. Thus, if say ny2dave (the #10 seed with 159 points) were able to win his division he would be able to make up lots of ground on JKolak (our #1 seed with 231 points);

2) By putting the top 4 seeds based on over-all points in the same division for the last 2 leagues, this would mean that the top guys would be able to battle it out face to face for the tiltle. In this case we would use the format of 1/2/3/4 - 5/6/7/8 - 9/10/11/12 seeding based on over-all points.

3) By using the format of 1/2/3/4 - 5/6/7/8 - 9/10/11/12 seeding based on over-all points, this would perhaps give the lower scoring managers a better chance to make the playoffs/win a title/etc (no implications intended guys... but maybe one of you feels feels this way?);

4) We could use the format of 1/2/3/4 - 5/6/7/8 - 9/10/11/12 based on the standings of our 2003 league simply because that is the way we've done it for our 2002 and 2003 leagues.

Since I don't have a strong opinion in any direction, I'll base my decision on the fact that 2 of the above options favor the 1/2/3/4 - 5/6/7/8 - 9/10/11/12 divisional assignments based upon our over-all point totals.

Thus the divisions for our 2004 league will be as follows:

EAST
JKolak
ArtieRex
Coffee
Pushpin

CENTRAL
Ironwill
JDClark
Rzpernick
Grossman

WEST
Bomberny
Ny2dave
Poser
McConvey

[ArtemusRex]

Guess I'm not too happy with what at first appears like changing the rules in midstream. Oh well. Guess that means I'll be in Kolak's division until the end of time. Oh goody.

Hey Coffee, aren't you gonna update your predictions from the beginning of season 2002 as we reach the end of the line there. I didn't finish last, I can tell you that. Even with Kolak in my division.

[bomberny50]

and just when i thought i might be a central division. really doesn't matter in my opinion, whatever you think, If i were to chose do a random drawing, i would trust anyone in the league to do that. But really whatever method you do, a person still has to win. Which of course i haven't.

Paul

[gross54]

I think the only way to make everybody happy , is to start over after we are done with this. Give Kojak his crown and then ban him from the next tourney. He is obviously to good. Has he been tested for performance enhancing drugs? This is supposed to be a collection of good strat managers that he is working over. Maybe he has come from the future to destroy us. Has anyone here met him in person? Could he be a Vampire? He may have been playing strat since Abner Doubleday helped launch the game of baseball.


By this point of my post you may have figured out that I am a Vikings fan from New Ulm Minnesota. If you dont know what that means I will tell you. Its Sunday the Vikes are losing, I am drinking Shells beer and making chili. If you have never drank Shells before you you must try it. It helps make Minnesota winnters go by quicker.