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Postby ArtemusRex » Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:49 am

I would say you are right about Fassero but I've had other good performances out of him as evidenced below from a league where I won 95 wins in Veteran's Stadium. I would also look at Derrick Lowe as a Long Reliever who logged over 140 innings of service. Like the great setupman/closer combination like Rivera/Wetteland from Yankees '96, they built a wall that most teams couldn't climb after the 6th inning. But I've mentioned their contributions in previous post so was finally analyzing the offense's contributions. Also, Pedro Martinez ties for most wins but is not a * pitcher mean he made the most of less starts than his * pitching counterparts. Thank you for the accolades though. It will have to do until we get to the 2004/2005 season (whatever they are calling that cardset this year, the one where Boston won in 2004) where I have as many teams played as 2001 but at least have 2 World titles.

See below for Fassero's numbers from the my Veteran's Stadium club that won 95 wins but failed to win it all:

Fassero, J. L R1/C3 5 5 43 57.2 58 22 19 62 3.43 1.34 2R 3.71M
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Postby ArtemusRex » Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:53 am

I agree 5-5 with 43 saves is not as much but still good. In honor of Minnesota's two DT this year who make up the "Williams Wall" that stops RB's dead (at least until the MN judge lifts the hold on their NFL suspension). I am dubbing my setupman/closer combo as the, LOWE-FASSERO FENSE!!!
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Postby JKolak » Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:17 pm

[quote:3e172f23eb]Still, I have some work to do. I need to take it all to capture my first 2001 title. [/quote:3e172f23eb]

Don't worry Alexx, the team with the best record typically chokes in the semifinal series. :lol: :lol: :lol:

You do have your work cut out for you. The Springfield Jokers were the hottest team during the second half of the season. I do have the tip my cap to you on your 106 win season. You really proved me wrong. :oops:
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Postby JKolak » Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:23 pm

[quote:62eb63bab2]I do hope you realize that I am only 3 wins away from surpassing you in points for the 2001 season Joe? And this is without doubt the weakest season in my portfolio.
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You actually have some strengths Coffee...my oh my, I learn something new each day. :P



[quote:62eb63bab2]As far as the 2002 season... you got off to a "smokin" start, and after a slow start, my boys have been gradually closing the gap so that at the mid-way point we're only 2 points behind. We'll have to wait and see how this pans out in the second half.
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You also placed yourself in the West Division with three weak managers. Your sorry-assed team should be in first place against such stiff compeition.

[quote:62eb63bab2]And with 2003 starting tonight, welll... let's just say I'm looking forward to "smokin" you in my first opportunity to match up in the same division.
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"Smokin" Coffee? You keep using the term "Smokin"...I would love to be smokin what you are smokin and tokin what you are tokin. :P :P :P
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Postby ArtemusRex » Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:52 pm

Coffee,

Here are the results of the Pythagorean expectation* on my team:
Winning percentage: .616185 (as compared to .654 in season)
Projected wins: 99 or 100 (compared to 106 in season)

Honestly Coffee, I don't think this is the difference you might have thought it was. 6 or 7 games doesn't equate to the disparity that JKolak would have thought at the beginning of the season (sorry JK, I'll stop now).


* Pythagorean expectation explained at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_expectation
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Postby Coffeeholic » Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:02 pm

[quote:bf54b85571]You also placed yourself in the West Division with three weak managers. Your sorry-assed team should be in first place against such stiff compeition.[/quote:bf54b85571]

Did you hear that Dave, Billy and Michael? :shock:

Why. if it were me he was saying that about, every one of my future teams would be assembled with the sole purpose of kicking his team's a$$! :twisted:
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Postby Coffeeholic » Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:15 pm

Alexx... don't get me wrong... you had a great season obviously! And over-performing the pythagorean preojection with this team only makes up for those other teams that under-perform.

But I think that your calculations illustrate my points exactly. If your pythagorean projection was 100 wins with Fassero being so dominant, what would the win total have been had Fassero come in with a good season... say 3.00 ERA for instance, and blown the typical number of saves that the average (or even "high-end") closers do? Would another 12 runs scored against alter the pythagorean projection much?
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Postby ArtemusRex » Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:53 pm

[quote:57fa2da02d="JKolak"][quote:57fa2da02d]Still, I have some work to do. I need to take it all to capture my first 2001 title. [/quote:57fa2da02d]

Don't worry Alexx, the team with the best record typically chokes in the semifinal series. :lol: :lol: :lol:

You do have your work cut out for you. The Springfield Jokers were the hottest team during the second half of the season. I do have the tip my cap to you on your 106 win season. You really proved me wrong. :oops:[/quote:57fa2da02d]


Don't I know it. Believe me, I've seen Hal reset his memory on "team chemistry" at the same time he resets the stats for the post season. Believe me when I say I don't want to go more than 4 games in against the Jokers. (Wouldn't they be "the midnight tokers", not smokin' coffee?)
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Postby JKolak » Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:08 pm

2003 League starts tonight...I had a great draft. Hope I did not sabotage myself by making changes. My big problem was my failure to lasso a *SP. Now I have a 5 man rotation with my favorite suspects. I also failed to get my favorite closer Donnelly. It should be interesting with Mota in the role of closer.

The offense is the key. This is pretty much the offense I wanted.

CATCHER - Varitek ranks fourth in the Lamanna Baseball Bulletin with 8 diamond HR on both sides.

FIRST BASE - Thome ranks second behind Helton with 8 diamond HR on both sides.

SECOND BASE - I had Michael Young who ranks fourth and dropped him for Jose Vidro who ranks fifth. I rarely do this, but Vidro has 46 on base chances and 58 total bases against RHP while Young has only 37 on base and 48 total base chances against RHP. Against LHP, Vidro is 44 on base and 59 total bases with 6 diamond BP HR. Young musters only 33 on base and 48 total base with only 1 diamond BP HR against LHP. I got Vidro to bust Coffee on what will be a tight intradivisional race.

THIRD BASE - Mike Lowell ranks third behind Rolen and Mueller and has 8 diamond HR on both sides.

SHORTSTOP - Angel Berroa ranks fifth. He does have 6 diamond HR against LHP. (Come on Coffee! Be a man! Throw a lefty at this team! :P )

LEFTFIELD - Manny Ramirez ranks third behind Bonds and Pujols. Again the 8 diamond man on both sides. :D :P :D

CENTERFIELD - Jim Edmonds ranks number one. Again the 8 diamonds on both sides... :lol: :lol: :lol:

RIGHTFIELD - I would have loved to have gotten Sheffield but could not swing the dollars although I tried. Jose Guillen ranks sixth in right field. He has 6 diamonds against LHP and 8 against RHP. 8-)

DESIGNATED HITTER - Went from the high slugging, low on-base, possible injury prone Jeromy Burnitz to the safer Dimitri Young. Young ranks ninth in leftfield. He has 7 diamonds against LHP and 8 diamonds against RHP. :lol:

My team will hit. It may lead this league in home runs and maybe runs scored. It will be a question of whether the economy starting pitching that features no/low ball park effect home runs but a higher WHIP factor can do the job in tandem with a low budget bullpen with Mota who ranks ninth as a closer in close game situations.
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Postby GARYCOOK » Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:08 pm

Weak managers is a little insulting.
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