The Original USKL -- TSN Version 2011 (Chat Room)

[cirills]

Ok guys -- I know I am going to cause a couple of you to groan, BUT I have two more proposals to put to you. I PROMISE though, that barring any odd occurances, that THESE will be the LAST.

I am simply trying to make this the best it can be. The first one revisits the discussion that almost caused us a significant delay at the start -- DIVISIONAL ALIGNMENT. I have been thinking about this a lot and think I have come up with a good solution. Special Thanks to KD and Mike J as it were their comments especially that led to this first proposal.


[b:0ff9ad70d2][size=15:0ff9ad70d2]PROPOSAL # 1[/size:0ff9ad70d2][/b:0ff9ad70d2] -- We change the Divisional Alignment structure so that Divisions will not be aligned via this English Premiere Soccer League Rotaion method (sorry FD :oops: ). Instead we adopt the following:

[b:0ff9ad70d2]Heading INTO the start of a NEW YEAR -- the Divisions (AND the FREE AGENT DRAFT ORDER) will be in order of the previous year's total combined standings.[/b:0ff9ad70d2] Any ties will be broken by; 1. Head to Head results and if need be; 2. Greatest positive RS-RA differential. The league will be formed such that the EAST will be teams 1-4, the CENTRAL 5-8 and the WEST 9-12.

[b:0ff9ad70d2]After our first season of play in that given year, the Divisions will be realigned (AND the ORDER OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT) based on the Win/Loss pct. of that season with the same tie-breaking procedures. [/b:0ff9ad70d2]

***NOTE*** -- This year's (really last year's) Supplemental Draft was based on our Order of Merit Standings (where we give bonuses for playoff and World Series Appearances) but to make it simple and fair (since luck plays a big portion in playoffs), we will leave those bonuses JUST for the Order of Merit from now on and base our Draft Orders strictly on Win/Loss pcts.

[b:0ff9ad70d2]After the Second Season is completed the following year's FIRST SEASON DIVISONS (and the FA Draft Order) will be determined by the COMBINED winning pcts. of BOTH seasons [/b:0ff9ad70d2](again with the top four teams being in the EAST and the bottom 4 teams being in the WEST).

It was KD that said adopting a system like this would eliminate confusion and personally I like it because I think it gives everyone a better chance to compete at the same level. If you consistently do well you will be at the top, but if you can't hang there you go back down.

*** Please note that it will be our Order of Merit ONLY in which the special post-season bonuses will be added in to keep track of our overall points leader. ***

Let me know what y'all think and please vote:


Ayes: 7 (Sandy, KD, Stoney, NP, qk/cubit, D-T, Hawk)
Nays: 0

Remaining: 5 (FD, AFD, Ineluki, Bubba, and Big)




[b:0ff9ad70d2][size=15:0ff9ad70d2]PROPOSAL # 2[/size:0ff9ad70d2][/b:0ff9ad70d2] -- This has to do with our [b:0ff9ad70d2]Chosen Parks[/b:0ff9ad70d2]. Our current charter calls for us to be committed to our parks for the first three YEARS of our existence.

However, as it is now in QK's Keeper League, [b:0ff9ad70d2]I am proposing that we adopt the similar rule of allowing the choice of a different park for each SEASON we play. [/b:0ff9ad70d2]

My reason for this is as follows. While it IS the intent of this league to recreate as close as possible what it's like to be the GM of your own team -- we have to acknowledge that in Real Baseball -- the park results do NOT change as liberally as they do here in SOM unless they; 1) drastically altear those dimensions or 2) drastically alter the makeup of their team (ie; going with more LH or RH's depending on the players they have coming up). While they have the understanding of what they are doing we are then sort of trapped by their results. So that nice LH park we have has suddenly become neutral or in fact now favors RH's. Being "stuck" with that for 3 years doesn't seem fair. Also, by being allowed to change parks after each season, an owner whose team has NOT faired well gets a change to see how his team will perform under a different set of conditions. If you LIKE your current stadium then by all means you may stay, [b:0ff9ad70d2]but I am proposing that if you WANT to leave then you may choose to so, via (like the Drafts) the inverse order of the win/loss pcts.[/b:0ff9ad70d2]
Again, feel free to share your thought and please vote:


Ayes: 6 (Sandy, KD, Stoney, qk/cubit, Hawk, AFD)
Nays: 2 (NP, D-T)

Remaining: 4 (FD, Ineluki, Bubba, and Big)


If you have made it this far then you are TRULY committed and think that I should be committed (to an institution). You have my sincere thanks.



[b:0ff9ad70d2]Proposal # 1 has already passed folks (7-0)![/b:0ff9ad70d2]

Still taking votes on Proposal 2 ...

[Ninersphan]

I've won 6 straight, am 9 & 1 in my last 10 and have not picked up a single game in the standings. For the love of God DT:

[size=18:c87176b826][b:c87176b826]WOULD YOU PLEASE LOSE ONCE IN A WHILE[/b:c87176b826][b:c87176b826]!!!![/b:c87176b826] [/size:c87176b826]

Thank you. :wink:

[cirills]

Ok guys -- I know I am going to cause a couple of you to groan, BUT I have two more proposals to put to you. I PROMISE though, that barring any odd occurances, that THESE will be the LAST.

I am simply trying to make this the best it can be. The first one revisits the discussion that almost caused us a significant delay at the start -- DIVISIONAL ALIGNMENT. I have been thinking about this a lot and think I have come up with a good solution. Special Thanks to KD and Mike J as it were their comments especially that led to this first proposal.


[b:734b523dcd][size=15:734b523dcd]PROPOSAL # 1[/size:734b523dcd][/b:734b523dcd] -- We change the Divisional Alignment structure so that Divisions will not be aligned via this English Premiere Soccer League Rotaion method (sorry FD :oops: ). Instead we adopt the following:

[b:734b523dcd]Heading INTO the start of a NEW YEAR -- the Divisions (AND the FREE AGENT DRAFT ORDER) will be in order of the previous year's total combined standings.[/b:734b523dcd] Any ties will be broken by; 1. Head to Head results and if need be; 2. Greatest positive RS-RA differential. The league will be formed such that the EAST will be teams 1-4, the CENTRAL 5-8 and the WEST 9-12.

[b:734b523dcd]After our first season of play in that given year, the Divisions will be realigned (AND the ORDER OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT) based on the Win/Loss pct. of that season with the same tie-breaking procedures. [/b:734b523dcd]

***NOTE*** -- This year's (really last year's) Supplemental Draft was based on our Order of Merit Standings (where we give bonuses for playoff and World Series Appearances) but to make it simple and fair (since luck plays a big portion in playoffs), we will leave those bonuses JUST for the Order of Merit from now on and base our Draft Orders strictly on Win/Loss pcts.

[b:734b523dcd]After the Second Season is completed the following year's FIRST SEASON DIVISONS (and the FA Draft Order) will be determined by the COMBINED winning pcts. of BOTH seasons [/b:734b523dcd](again with the top four teams being in the EAST and the bottom 4 teams being in the WEST).

It was KD that said adopting a system like this would eliminate confusion and personally I like it because I think it gives everyone a better chance to compete at the same level. If you consistently do well you will be at the top, but if you can't hang there you go back down.

*** Please note that it will be our Order of Merit ONLY in which the special post-season bonuses will be added in to keep track of our overall points leader. ***

Let me know what y'all think and please vote:


Ayes: 7 (Sandy, KD, Stoney, NP, qk/cubit, D-T, Hawk)
Nays: 0

Remaining: 5 (FD, AFD, Ineluki, Bubba, and Big)




[b:734b523dcd][size=15:734b523dcd]PROPOSAL # 2[/size:734b523dcd][/b:734b523dcd] -- This has to do with our [b:734b523dcd]Chosen Parks[/b:734b523dcd]. Our current charter calls for us to be committed to our parks for the first three YEARS of our existence.

However, as it is now in QK's Keeper League, [b:734b523dcd]I am proposing that we adopt the similar rule of allowing the choice of a different park for each SEASON we play. [/b:734b523dcd]

My reason for this is as follows. While it IS the intent of this league to recreate as close as possible what it's like to be the GM of your own team -- we have to acknowledge that in Real Baseball -- the park results do NOT change as liberally as they do here in SOM unless they; 1) drastically altear those dimensions or 2) drastically alter the makeup of their team (ie; going with more LH or RH's depending on the players they have coming up). While they have the understanding of what they are doing we are then sort of trapped by their results. So that nice LH park we have has suddenly become neutral or in fact now favors RH's. Being "stuck" with that for 3 years doesn't seem fair. Also, by being allowed to change parks after each season, an owner whose team has NOT faired well gets a change to see how his team will perform under a different set of conditions. If you LIKE your current stadium then by all means you may stay, [b:734b523dcd]but I am proposing that if you WANT to leave then you may choose to so, via (like the Drafts) the inverse order of the win/loss pcts.[/b:734b523dcd]
Again, feel free to share your thought and please vote:


Ayes: 6 (Sandy, KD, Stoney, qk/cubit, Hawk, AFD)
Nays: 2 (NP, D-T)

Remaining: 4 (FD, Ineluki, Bubba, and Big)


If you have made it this far then you are TRULY committed and think that I should be committed (to an institution). You have my sincere thanks.



[b:734b523dcd]Proposal # 1 has already passed folks (7-0)![/b:734b523dcd]


[size=15:734b523dcd][b:734b523dcd]but Proposal # 2 STILL needs to be decided!!![/b:734b523dcd][/size:734b523dcd]

[Cubit]

[quote:29e786569d="qksilver"]Count me & Cubit as "ayes" thanks, on both of the above....[/quote:29e786569d]

Absolutely concur with my 'Siamese Twin' on this one.

[cirills]

Ok guys -- I know I am going to cause a couple of you to groan, BUT I have two more proposals to put to you. I PROMISE though, that barring any odd occurances, that THESE will be the LAST.

I am simply trying to make this the best it can be. The first one revisits the discussion that almost caused us a significant delay at the start -- DIVISIONAL ALIGNMENT. I have been thinking about this a lot and think I have come up with a good solution. Special Thanks to KD and Mike J as it were their comments especially that led to this first proposal.


[b:f70f37267c][size=15:f70f37267c]PROPOSAL # 1[/size:f70f37267c][/b:f70f37267c] -- We change the Divisional Alignment structure so that Divisions will not be aligned via this English Premiere Soccer League Rotaion method (sorry FD :oops: ). Instead we adopt the following:

[b:f70f37267c]Heading INTO the start of a NEW YEAR -- the Divisions (AND the FREE AGENT DRAFT ORDER) will be in order of the previous year's total combined standings.[/b:f70f37267c] Any ties will be broken by; 1. Head to Head results and if need be; 2. Greatest positive RS-RA differential. The league will be formed such that the EAST will be teams 1-4, the CENTRAL 5-8 and the WEST 9-12.

[b:f70f37267c]After our first season of play in that given year, the Divisions will be realigned (AND the ORDER OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT) based on the Win/Loss pct. of that season with the same tie-breaking procedures. [/b:f70f37267c]

***NOTE*** -- This year's (really last year's) Supplemental Draft was based on our Order of Merit Standings (where we give bonuses for playoff and World Series Appearances) but to make it simple and fair (since luck plays a big portion in playoffs), we will leave those bonuses JUST for the Order of Merit from now on and base our Draft Orders strictly on Win/Loss pcts.

[b:f70f37267c]After the Second Season is completed the following year's FIRST SEASON DIVISONS (and the FA Draft Order) will be determined by the COMBINED winning pcts. of BOTH seasons [/b:f70f37267c](again with the top four teams being in the EAST and the bottom 4 teams being in the WEST).

It was KD that said adopting a system like this would eliminate confusion and personally I like it because I think it gives everyone a better chance to compete at the same level. If you consistently do well you will be at the top, but if you can't hang there you go back down.

*** Please note that it will be our Order of Merit ONLY in which the special post-season bonuses will be added in to keep track of our overall points leader. ***

Let me know what y'all think and please vote:


Ayes: 7 (Sandy, KD, Stoney, NP, qk/cubit, D-T, Hawk)
Nays: 0

Remaining: 5 (FD, AFD, Ineluki, Bubba, and Big)




[b:f70f37267c][size=15:f70f37267c]PROPOSAL # 2[/size:f70f37267c][/b:f70f37267c] -- This has to do with our [b:f70f37267c]Chosen Parks[/b:f70f37267c]. Our current charter calls for us to be committed to our parks for the first three YEARS of our existence.

However, as it is now in QK's Keeper League, [b:f70f37267c]I am proposing that we adopt the similar rule of allowing the choice of a different park for each SEASON we play. [/b:f70f37267c]

My reason for this is as follows. While it IS the intent of this league to recreate as close as possible what it's like to be the GM of your own team -- we have to acknowledge that in Real Baseball -- the park results do NOT change as liberally as they do here in SOM unless they; 1) drastically altear those dimensions or 2) drastically alter the makeup of their team (ie; going with more LH or RH's depending on the players they have coming up). While they have the understanding of what they are doing we are then sort of trapped by their results. So that nice LH park we have has suddenly become neutral or in fact now favors RH's. Being "stuck" with that for 3 years doesn't seem fair. Also, by being allowed to change parks after each season, an owner whose team has NOT faired well gets a change to see how his team will perform under a different set of conditions. If you LIKE your current stadium then by all means you may stay, [b:f70f37267c]but I am proposing that if you WANT to leave then you may choose to so, via (like the Drafts) the inverse order of the win/loss pcts.[/b:f70f37267c]
Again, feel free to share your thought and please vote:


Ayes: 6 (Sandy, KD, Stoney, qk/cubit, Hawk, AFD)
Nays: 2 (NP, D-T)

Remaining: 4 (FD, Ineluki, Bubba, and Big)


If you have made it this far then you are TRULY committed and think that I should be committed (to an institution). You have my sincere thanks.



[b:f70f37267c]Proposal # 1 has already passed folks (7-0)![/b:f70f37267c]


[size=15:f70f37267c][b:f70f37267c]but Proposal # 2 STILL needs to be decided!!![/b:f70f37267c][/size:f70f37267c]

[cirills]

I would LOVE to get one (or more) of the remaining owners to vote to do so fro Proposal # 2 so that we may get that squared away as we have an ISSUE (an onwer leaving our fold but a replacement coming in) to address ASAP.

Thanks,

Sandy

[kaviksdad]

Meanwhile, in real league news, the SnowBadgers, after slowing climbing to the top of their division, continue their slow descent back to the basement... :cry:

[cirills]

Ok guys -- I know I am going to cause a couple of you to groan, BUT I have two more proposals to put to you. I PROMISE though, that barring any odd occurances, that THESE will be the LAST.

I am simply trying to make this the best it can be. The first one revisits the discussion that almost caused us a significant delay at the start -- DIVISIONAL ALIGNMENT. I have been thinking about this a lot and think I have come up with a good solution. Special Thanks to KD and Mike J as it were their comments especially that led to this first proposal.


[b:4cfba81826][size=15:4cfba81826]PROPOSAL # 1[/size:4cfba81826][/b:4cfba81826] -- We change the Divisional Alignment structure so that Divisions will not be aligned via this English Premiere Soccer League Rotaion method (sorry FD :oops: ). Instead we adopt the following:

[b:4cfba81826]Heading INTO the start of a NEW YEAR -- the Divisions (AND the FREE AGENT DRAFT ORDER) will be in order of the previous year's total combined standings.[/b:4cfba81826] Any ties will be broken by; 1. Head to Head results and if need be; 2. Greatest positive RS-RA differential. The league will be formed such that the EAST will be teams 1-4, the CENTRAL 5-8 and the WEST 9-12.

[b:4cfba81826]After our first season of play in that given year, the Divisions will be realigned (AND the ORDER OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT) based on the Win/Loss pct. of that season with the same tie-breaking procedures. [/b:4cfba81826]

***NOTE*** -- This year's (really last year's) Supplemental Draft was based on our Order of Merit Standings (where we give bonuses for playoff and World Series Appearances) but to make it simple and fair (since luck plays a big portion in playoffs), we will leave those bonuses JUST for the Order of Merit from now on and base our Draft Orders strictly on Win/Loss pcts.

[b:4cfba81826]After the Second Season is completed the following year's FIRST SEASON DIVISONS (and the FA Draft Order) will be determined by the COMBINED winning pcts. of BOTH seasons [/b:4cfba81826](again with the top four teams being in the EAST and the bottom 4 teams being in the WEST).

It was KD that said adopting a system like this would eliminate confusion and personally I like it because I think it gives everyone a better chance to compete at the same level. If you consistently do well you will be at the top, but if you can't hang there you go back down.

*** Please note that it will be our Order of Merit ONLY in which the special post-season bonuses will be added in to keep track of our overall points leader. ***

Let me know what y'all think and please vote:


Ayes: 7 (Sandy, KD, Stoney, NP, qk/cubit, D-T, Hawk)
Nays: 0

Remaining: 5 (FD, AFD, Ineluki, Bubba, and Big)




[b:4cfba81826][size=15:4cfba81826]PROPOSAL # 2[/size:4cfba81826][/b:4cfba81826] -- This has to do with our [b:4cfba81826]Chosen Parks[/b:4cfba81826]. Our current charter calls for us to be committed to our parks for the first three YEARS of our existence.

However, as it is now in QK's Keeper League, [b:4cfba81826]I am proposing that we adopt the similar rule of allowing the choice of a different park for each SEASON we play. [/b:4cfba81826]

My reason for this is as follows. While it IS the intent of this league to recreate as close as possible what it's like to be the GM of your own team -- we have to acknowledge that in Real Baseball -- the park results do NOT change as liberally as they do here in SOM unless they; 1) drastically altear those dimensions or 2) drastically alter the makeup of their team (ie; going with more LH or RH's depending on the players they have coming up). While they have the understanding of what they are doing we are then sort of trapped by their results. So that nice LH park we have has suddenly become neutral or in fact now favors RH's. Being "stuck" with that for 3 years doesn't seem fair. Also, by being allowed to change parks after each season, an owner whose team has NOT faired well gets a change to see how his team will perform under a different set of conditions. If you LIKE your current stadium then by all means you may stay, [b:4cfba81826]but I am proposing that if you WANT to leave then you may choose to so, via (like the Drafts) the inverse order of the win/loss pcts.[/b:4cfba81826]
Again, feel free to share your thought and please vote:


Ayes: 6 (Sandy, KD, Stoney, qk/cubit, Hawk, AFD)
Nays: 2 (NP, D-T)

Remaining: 4 (FD, Ineluki, Bubba, and Big)


If you have made it this far then you are TRULY committed and think that I should be committed (to an institution). You have my sincere thanks.



[b:4cfba81826]Proposal # 1 has already passed folks (7-0)![/b:4cfba81826]


[size=15:4cfba81826][b:4cfba81826]but Proposal # 2 STILL needs to be decided!!![/b:4cfba81826][/size:4cfba81826]

[cirills]

bump ...

[fowldawg]

my vote is no (not that it matters)... too many changes from what I signed up for