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16 seasons, [b:7689c758b0]100m[/b:7689c758b0], [b:7689c758b0]DH [/b:7689c758b0](I know there was no DH then, but gives better opportunity to use more players), using [b:7689c758b0]ONLY cards up to and including 1925 [/b:7689c758b0]

Managers rotate through the 16 teams; 4 teams per season will rotate out

AutoDraft follows Assigned and Offlimits players listed below

After draft, [b:7689c758b0]any Free Agents [/b:7689c758b0]who played for your franchise UP TO AND INCLUDING 1925 are eligible; Negro League Free Agents are [b:7689c758b0]not eligible [/b:7689c758b0]

Negro Leaguers may be traded, along with players carded to more than one team

Each franchise has [b:7689c758b0]3 stadium options[/b:7689c758b0], listed below. Some liberties were taken: added a Fenway and Wrigley, gave Negro League Stadiums to MLB city counterparts, etc

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[b:7689c758b0]Boston Red Sox[/b:7689c758b0]—any Red Sox player in db or pre with a card 1925 or before
[b:7689c758b0]Added Negro Leaguers[/b:7689c758b0]: SP Bullet Joe Rogan, SP Harry Salmon, IF Home Run Johnson, OF Charles Blackwell, C Frank Duncan
[b:7689c758b0]Other Added Cards[/b:7689c758b0]—OF Joe Woods’ hitter card(from Indians), OF Tris Speaker(from Indians), OF Patsy Dougherty(from Yankees)
[b:7689c758b0]Subtracted Players[/b:7689c758b0]—P Eddie Cicotte(to White Sox), Larry Gardner(to Indians)
[b:7689c758b0]Stadiums[/b:7689c758b0]—Huntington Avenue Grounds11, Martin Park(NeL), Fenway57

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[b:7689c758b0]Boston Braves[/b:7689c758b0]—any Braves player in db or pre with a card 1925 or before
[b:7689c758b0]Added Negro Leaguers[/b:7689c758b0]: SP Smokey Joe Williams, SP Joe Mendez, IF Martin Dihigo,
OF Oscar Charleston, OF Alejandro Ohms
[b:7689c758b0]Other Added Cards[/b:7689c758b0]—P Vic Willis(from Pirates), P Jesse Barnes(from Giants)
[b:7689c758b0]Subtracted Players[/b:7689c758b0]—none
[b:7689c758b0]Stadiums[/b:7689c758b0]---South End Grounds11, Braves20, Braves41

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[b:7689c758b0]Brooklyn Dodgers[/b:7689c758b0]—any Dodgers player in db or pre with a card 1925 or before
[b:7689c758b0]Added Negro Leaguers[/b:7689c758b0]: SP Sam Streeter, SP Dizzy Dismukes, IF-OF Jud Wilson,
C Louis Santop
[b:7689c758b0]Other Added Cards[/b:7689c758b0]—P Ed Reulbach(from Cubs), RP Dutch Henry's 1927 card allowed here, SS Glenn Wright(from Pirates)
[b:7689c758b0]Subtracted Players[/b:7689c758b0]—OF Jimmy Sheckard(to Cubs), P Bill Doak(to Cardinals)
[b:7689c758b0]Stadiums[/b:7689c758b0]---Washington Park11, Ebbetts Field20, Catholic Prep Oval(NeL)

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[b:7689c758b0]Chicago Cubs[/b:7689c758b0]—any Cubs player in db or pre with a card 1925 or before
[b:7689c758b0]Added Negro Leaguers[/b:7689c758b0]: SP Rube Currie, OF Cristobal Torriente, OF Jimmie Lyons,
OF Vic Harris
[b:7689c758b0]Other Added Cards[/b:7689c758b0]—OF Jimmy Sheckard(from Dodgers)
[b:7689c758b0]Subtracted Players[/b:7689c758b0]—P Ed Reulbach(to Dodgers)
[b:7689c758b0]Stadiums[/b:7689c758b0]---West Side Park11, Wrigley41, Wrigley57

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[b:7689c758b0]Chicago White Sox[/b:7689c758b0]—any White Sox player in db or pre with a card 1925 or before
[b:7689c758b0]Added Negro Leaguers[/b:7689c758b0]: SS Dobie Moore, C-OF Heavy Johnson, IF Frank Warfield,
IF Dewey Creacy
[b:7689c758b0]Other Added Cards[/b:7689c758b0]---P Eddie Cicotte(from Red Sox)
[b:7689c758b0]Subtracted Players[/b:7689c758b0]—2b Eddie Collins(to A’s), RP Dave Danforth(to A’s)
[b:7689c758b0]Stadiums[/b:7689c758b0]---Comiskey11, Schorling Park(NeL), South Side Park(NeL)

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[b:7689c758b0]Cincinnati Reds[/b:7689c758b0]—any Reds player in db or pre with a card 1925 or before
[b:7689c758b0]Added Negro Leaguers[/b:7689c758b0]: SP John Donaldson, SP Phil Cockrell, OF Rap Dixon, OF Spot Poles, C Spoony Palm, IF Dick Lundy
[b:7689c758b0]Other Added Cards[/b:7689c758b0]—2b Miller Huggins(from Cardinals), RP George Suggs(from Tigers), RP Rube Benton(from Giants), IF Buck Herzog(from Giants)
[b:7689c758b0]Subtracted Players[/b:7689c758b0]—C Steve O’Neill(to Indians)
[b:7689c758b0]Stadiums[/b:7689c758b0]---Palace of the Fans11, Washington Park(NeL), Crosley41

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[b:7689c758b0]Cleveland Indians[/b:7689c758b0]—any Indians player in db or pre with a card 1925 or before
[b:7689c758b0]Added Negro Leaguers[/b:7689c758b0]: SP Bill Holland, OF Pete Hill, OF Hurley McNair
[b:7689c758b0]Other Added Cards[/b:7689c758b0]—C Steve O’Neill(from Reds), Larry Gardner(from Red Sox)
[b:7689c758b0]Subtracted Players[/b:7689c758b0]—OF Tris Speaker(to Red Sox), P Ray Caldwell(to Yankees), OF Joe Wood(to Red Sox)
[b:7689c758b0]Stadiums[/b:7689c758b0]---League Park11, Dunn Field, League Park24

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[b:7689c758b0]Detroit Tigers[/b:7689c758b0]—any Tigers player in db or pre with a card 1925 or before
[b:7689c758b0]Added Negro Leaguers[/b:7689c758b0]: SP Dick Redding, SP Bill Drake, IF Bill Monroe, IF Dave Malarcher
[b:7689c758b0]Other Added Cards[/b:7689c758b0]—RP Jean Dubuc(from Giants)
[b:7689c758b0]Subtracted Players[/b:7689c758b0]—P George Suggs(to Reds)
[b:7689c758b0]Stadiums[/b:7689c758b0]---Bennett Park11, Mack Park(NeL), Navin Field34

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[b:7689c758b0]New York Giants[/b:7689c758b0]—any Giants player in db or pre with a card 1925 or before
[b:7689c758b0]Added Negro Leaguers[/b:7689c758b0]: C Bruce Petway, OF Fats Jenkins
[b:7689c758b0]Other Added Cards[/b:7689c758b0]—P Slim Sallee(from Cardinals), SS Dave Bancroft(from Phillies)
[b:7689c758b0]Subtracted Players[/b:7689c758b0]—P Red Ames(to Cardinals), OF Red Murray(to Cardinals), P Jean Dubuc(to Tigers), P Rube Benton(to Reds), P Jesse Barnes(to Braves), Buck Herzog(to Reds)
[b:7689c758b0]Stadiums[/b:7689c758b0]---Polo11, Polo24, Rickwood Park(NeL)

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[b:7689c758b0]New York Yankees[/b:7689c758b0]—any Yankees player in db or pre with a card 1925 or before
[b:7689c758b0]Added Negro Leaguers[/b:7689c758b0]: SP Webster McDonald, SP-Chet Brewer, IF Pop Lloyd,
IF Tubby Scales, IF Rev Cannady, OF Jelly Gardner
[b:7689c758b0]Other Added Cards[/b:7689c758b0]—P Ray Caldwell(from Indians)
[b:7689c758b0]Subtracted Players[/b:7689c758b0]—C Muddy Ruel(to Senators), SS Roger Peckinpaugh(to Senators), OF Patsy Dougherty(to Red Sox)
[b:7689c758b0]Stadiums[/b:7689c758b0]---Hilltop11, Yankee Stadium(NeL), Polo24

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[b:7689c758b0]Philadelphia Phillies[/b:7689c758b0]—any Phillies player in db or pre with a card 1925 or before
[b:7689c758b0]Added Negro Leaguers[/b:7689c758b0]: SP Roosevelt Davis, OF Chino Smith, IF Newt Allen, IF Bingo DeMoss, IF Judy Johnson, C Biz Mackey
[b:7689c758b0]Other Added Cards[/b:7689c758b0]—RP Stan Baumgartner(from A’s)
[b:7689c758b0]Subtracted Players[/b:7689c758b0]—SS Dave Bancroft(to Giants)
[b:7689c758b0]Stadiums[/b:7689c758b0]---Baker11, Penmar Park(NeL), Terrapin Park(NeL)

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[b:7689c758b0]Philadelphia A’s[/b:7689c758b0]—any A’s player in db or pre with a card 1925 or before
[b:7689c758b0]Added Negro Leaguers[/b:7689c758b0]: SP Andy Cooper, UT Tank Carr
[b:7689c758b0]Other Added Cards[/b:7689c758b0]—2b Eddie Collins(from White Sox), RP Dave Danforth(from White Sox)
[b:7689c758b0]Subtracted Players[/b:7689c758b0]— RP Stan Baumgartner(to Phillies)
[b:7689c758b0]Stadiums[/b:7689c758b0]---Shibe11, Hilldale Park(NeL), Terrapin Park(NeL)

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[b:7689c758b0]Pittsburgh Pirates[/b:7689c758b0]—any Pirates player in db or pre with a card 1925 or before
[b:7689c758b0]Added Negro Leaguers[/b:7689c758b0]: 1b Mule Suttles, 3b Ghost Marcelle, OF Bernardo Baro
[b:7689c758b0]Other Added Cards[/b:7689c758b0]—none
[b:7689c758b0]Subtracted Players[/b:7689c758b0]—SS Glenn Wright(to Dodgers), P Vic Willis(to Braves), Roy Sanders(to Browns)
[b:7689c758b0]Stadiums[/b:7689c758b0]---Forbes11, Greenlee Field(NeL), Forbes41

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[b:7689c758b0]St. Louis Cardinals[/b:7689c758b0]—any Cardinals player in db or pre with a card 1925 or before
[b:7689c758b0]Added Negro Leaguers[/b:7689c758b0]: SP Tom Williams, SP Big Bill Foster, SP Rube Foster, 1b Ben Taylor, OF Cool Papa Bell, SS Willie Wells
[b:7689c758b0]Other Added Cards[/b:7689c758b0]—P Bill Doak(from Dodgers), P Red Ames(from Giants), OF Red Murray(from Giants)
[b:7689c758b0]Subtracted Players[/b:7689c758b0]—2b Miller Huggins(to Reds), P Slim Sallee(to Giants), 1b Jack Fournier(to Dodgers), IF Hugh Duffy(to Browns)
[b:7689c758b0]Stadiums[/b:7689c758b0]---Robison Field11, Stars Park(NeL), Muehlebach Park(NeL)

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[b:7689c758b0]St. Louis Browns[/b:7689c758b0]—any Browns player in db or pre with a card 1925 or before
[b:7689c758b0]Added Negro Leaguers[/b:7689c758b0]: SP Nip Winters, SP Frank Wickware, SP Dave Brown, OF Turkey Stearnes, OF Frog Redus, 3b Candy Jim Taylor
[b:7689c758b0]Other Added Cards[/b:7689c758b0]—RP Roy Sanders(from Pirates) , IF Hugh Duffy(from Cardinals)
[b:7689c758b0]Subtracted Players[/b:7689c758b0]—none
[b:7689c758b0]Stadiums[/b:7689c758b0]—Sportsmans Park11, St. Louis20, Muehlebach Park(NeL)

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[b:7689c758b0]Washington Senators[/b:7689c758b0]—any Senators player in db or pre with a card 1925 or before
[b:7689c758b0]Added Negro Leaguers[/b:7689c758b0]: SP William Bell, 1b-3b John Beckwith, 3b Newt Joseph,
OF Chaney White
[b:7689c758b0]Other Added Cards[/b:7689c758b0]—SS Roger Peckinpaugh(from Yankees), C Muddy Ruel(from Yankees)
[b:7689c758b0]Subtracted Players[/b:7689c758b0]— none
[b:7689c758b0]Stadiums[/b:7689c758b0]---Griffith11, Griffith Stadium(NeL), Terrapin Park(NeL) [b:7689c758b0][/b:7689c758b0]

1. Boston Red Sox - dharmabums
2. Boston Braves - modmark
3. Brooklyn Dodgers -novie
4. Chicago Cubs - wrz25
5. Chicago White Sox - warrenbob
6. Cincinnati Reds -bontomn
7. Cleveland Indians - papasturgeon
8. Detroit Tigers - steveames
9. New York Giants - andycummings
10. New York Yankees - gorshar
11. Philadelphia Phillies - ggrover
12. Philadelphia A's - majicmg

Rotated Out
13. Pittsburgh Pirates
14. St. Louis Cardinals
15. St. Louis Browns
16. Washington Senators

Impetus for Negro League PArk PLacement:

Martin Park was home of the Memphis Red Sox, wanted to give Boston Red Sox a small-ball option, a little bit of a stretch, but Red Sox link was enough

Catholic Prep Oval was actually in the Bronx, but Brooklyn needed another stadium choice

Schorling Park and South Side NeL PArk are the same park. It was home of the White Sox until Comiskey was built in 1911, then used by Negro League teams, so both were naturals for White Sox

The Negro League Washington Park was in Indianapolis, so it was assigned to the Reds because of geographical proximity

Mack Park was the home of the Negro League Detroit Stars, so it was given to the Tigers

Rickwood Field, located in Birmingham, Alabama, is the oldest surviving professional baseball park in the United States. It was built for the Birmingham Barons in 1910. It has nothing to do with the NY Giants, but the Giants needed a small-ball option with the two Polo Parks

The Yankees were obviously given NeL Yankee Stadium

Penmar Park was the home of the Philadelphia Stars and was assigned to the Phillies beacuse they needed a more small-ball option

Hilldale Park ws home of the Philly-based Hilldale Daisies and was assigned to the A's to give them a more HR-oriented park

Terrapin Park was home to the Baltimore Terrapins and was assigned to the two Philly clubs because of geographical proximity

Greenlee Field was home of the Pittsburgh Crawfords and was assigned to the Pirates

Stars Park was home of the St. Louis Stars and was assigned to the Cardinals.

Muehlebach Park was home of the Kansas City Monarchs (and later home to the KC A's and KC Royals) and was assigned to the two St. Louis clubs because of geographical proximity

Griffith Park was the "Home away from home" of the Homestead Grays, so it was assigned to the Senators

Terrapin Park in Baltimore was assigned to the Senators as well, again because of geographical proximity

I've been enjoying exploring a whole new baseball world for me. I'm a relative newby in ATG, with almost no experience with the deadball hitters. Researching the pre-1925 Red Sox has been fun -- all the questionable trades with the Yankees (can we try replicating that in this league? But only after the Sox fall out of contention, I guess), the Million Dollar Outfield (Duffy Lewis, Tris Speaker, and Harry Hooper, although Lewis is upset already because Blackwell is going to seriously cut into his playing time). Thanks for putting this league together. I'm looking forward to exploring the next team.

Boston Braves - dharmabums NJ
Brooklyn Dodgers -modmark TX
Chicago Cubs - novie WV
Chicago White Sox - wrz25 NY
Cincinnati Reds -warrenbob MI
Cleveland Indians - bontomn FL
Detroit Tigers - papasturgeon VA
New York Giants - steveames TN
New York Yankees - andycummings PA
Philadelphia Phillies - gorshar CA
Philadelphia A's - ggrover AZ
Pittsburgh Pirates - majicmg CT

Boston Braves - dharmabums NJ 209
Brooklyn Dodgers -modmark TX 603
Chicago Cubs - novie WV 772
Chicago White Sox - wrz25 NY 613
Cincinnati Reds -warrenbob MI 871
Cleveland Indians - bontomn FL 423
Detroit Tigers - papasturgeon VA 244
New York Giants - steveames TN 488
New York Yankees - andycummings PA 957
Philadelphia Phillies - gorshar CA 736
Philadelphia A's - ggrover AZ 779
Pittsburgh Pirates - majicmg CT 075

EAST
New York Yankees - andycummings PA 957
Chicago Cubs - novie WV 772
Brooklyn Dodgers -modmark TX 603
Detroit Tigers - papasturgeon VA 244
CENTRAL
Cincinnati Reds -warrenbob MI 871
Philadelphia Phillies - gorshar CA 736
New York Giants - steveames TN 488
Boston Braves - dharmabums NJ 209
WEST
Philadelphia A's - ggrover AZ 779
Chicago White Sox - wrz25 NY 613
Cleveland Indians - bontomn FL 423
Pittsburgh Pirates - majicmg CT 075

Brooklyn Dodgers -dharmabums NJ
Chicago Cubs - modmark TX
Chicago White Sox - novie WV
Cincinnati Reds -wrz25 NY
Cleveland Indians - warrenbob MI
Detroit Tigers - bontomn FL
New York Giants - papasturgeon VA
New York Yankees - steveames TN
Philadelphia Phillies - andycummings PA
Philadelphia A's - gorshar CA
Pittsburgh Pirates - ggrover AZ
St. Louis Cardinals - majicmg CT

EAST
papasturgeon--Giants 966
dharmabums--Dodgers 642
gorshar--A's 470
modmark--Cubs 272

CENTRAL
andyc--Phillies 908
SeteveAmes--Yankees 606
wrz--Reds 436
warrenbob--Indians 177

WEST
bontomn--Tigers 759
novie--White Sox 598
majicmg--Cardinals 339
ggrover--Pirates 084

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