Can someone help me overcome mediocrity in '06?

Postby Coffeeholic » Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:19 pm

Btw, why the love for Olivio?

Kendall seems to make so much more sense?
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Postby cummings2 » Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:00 pm

[quote:1ba0018a81]My prefered (albeit hard to get) lineup would be:

c: Mauer/Olivio
1b: Lee
2b: Roberts
3b: Figgins
SS: Rollins
LF: Podsednik
CF: Taveras
RF: Ichiro
DH: A Sanchez

R: Figgins, Taveras, Roberts, Lee, Mauer, Sanchez, Rollins, Ichiro, Pods
L: Pods, Ichiro, Lee, Sanchez, Olivio, Rollins, Figgins, Taveras, Roberts [/quote:1ba0018a81]

Geekor always does great in every league so if he speaks I listen, however the main problems I see with the above LUs are:

Vs R.
not enough OBP leading off, not enough SLG/Avg. in the 2 hole, Neg clutch on 4 (can't remember Mauer's -maybe I'm wrong) and 5. DPs in the middle right behind the highest OBPer, not enough SLG in the 7th and so-so OBP to turn the order.

Personally I don't think of Figgins as a leader offer.

I'd suggest replacing Roberts with Castillo, Rollins with Furcal, Pods with Holliday, Taveras with Duffy. Should be similar in prices, injury risks go up but there are plenty cheapies to patch with.

Just my .02 though.
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Postby geekor » Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:05 pm

[quote:0e31b303be="Coffeeholic"]Btw, why the love for Olivio?

Kendall seems to make so much more sense?[/quote:0e31b303be]

Olivo has more tb's, slugging, *B rated stealer, great clutch. His only drawback is horrible def, in a platoon he still gets anywhere from 11-20 errors :(

[quote:0e31b303be]Vs R.
not enough OBP leading off, not enough SLG/Avg. in the 2 hole, Neg clutch on 4 (can't remember Mauer's -maybe I'm wrong) and 5. DPs in the middle right behind the highest OBPer, not enough SLG in the 7th and so-so OBP to turn the order.

Personally I don't think of Figgins as a leader offer.

I'd suggest replacing Roberts with Castillo, Rollins with Furcal, Pods with Holliday, Taveras with Duffy. Should be similar in prices, injury risks go up but there are plenty cheapies to patch with.

Just my .02 though.[/quote:0e31b303be]

I don't get the love affair with Furcal. I have never seen him post any numbers worth anything.

Yes, Figgins doesn't have the prtotypical leadoff OBP. But he does have awesome speed. for instance, I almost always bat Duffy 2nd because of the low dp's. He has enver scored more than 85 runs for me, beacuse he is so damn slow. Don't get me wrong, no one used Pratt more than me in the 03 game, for the same reasons I like Duffy. Speed will net you a few extra runs, and also lowers the DP chances.
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forget a moment about the exact players. In this set I noticed (well someone else pointed out, I think it was you Cummings) that DP's were up across the board this year. You look, it's true, no hiding it. So I made this team to see the vlaue of DP's.

http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/2006/team/team_other.html?user_id=6266

a team that lost in the finals, but still even with the low ba (bottome 1.4 of the league) and low obp (6th) I wasn't giving away free outs.

the thing with the speed, is it counters a lot of the DP problems. Also, because this season had so many 1 sided cards, I started long ago no worrying about platoons, but having 3 who ar egood vs both sides, and 3 that are good vs 1, and 3 good vs the other. Basic principle, no reason to worry about the 7th, 8th and 9th as much, as long as the top of the order is doing well.
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Postby cummings2 » Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:17 pm

Nice team there G! 8)

Much agreed, I'm not a big Furcal fan either, though I do like his card over Rollins' My personal choice is Jack Wilson as I mentioned earlier:

[quote:746e970468]-My most relied on staples: O. Hudson and J. Wilson. [/quote:746e970468]

I did point something along the lines of more GbAs in J-Pav's skill or chance thread a bit ago... nice memory there G.

Catcher wise, I like Redmond, also have gotten some good stuff from Fasano but I had to tweak my entire pitching staff to have good holds to compensate for his arm.

Matheny has given me some good seasons.

How we doin' coffee?
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Postby Coffeeholic » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:31 am

Well C2, to be honest, you guys are throwing out lots of names, but without giving the reasons.

For instance, Geekor suggests Roberts & Rollins & Figgins? To me however, Roberts looks overpriced (as does Lee), Reyes or Vizquel look to be better values than Rollins, and much of Figgins value seems to come from his versatility? Not to mention that all those switch-hitters (and a platoon) in a line-up would leave me sucesstible (sp?) to Reverse pitchers?
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Would this be too greedy?

Postby Coffeeholic » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:33 am

Think I could land this in an autodraft:

Kendall
Lee
Kennedy
Vizquel
Polanco
Taguchi
Duffy
Giles
Ortiz

Colon
Zito
Haren
Moyer
Ryan
Shields
Guardado
Carrera

and scrubs (Molina, Cora, Mackowiak, Ellison, DaVanon, Davis, Kline)?

I'd certainly have to get at least one of those big guns low on the draft list (probably would try Lee).
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Postby geekor » Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:27 pm

[quote:1f22b527ea]For instance, Geekor suggests Roberts & Rollins & Figgins? To me however, Roberts looks overpriced (as does Lee), Reyes or Vizquel look to be better values than Rollins, and much of Figgins value seems to come from his versatility? Not to mention that all those switch-hitters (and a platoon) in a line-up would leave me sucesstible (sp?) to Reverse pitchers?
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You can believe Lee is overpriced, but then again how many people are gonna bat over .300, with 40+ double and hr's in Petco? His TB's are great vs both sides, *B stealer, he really doesn't have a drawback. For "Value" you can get Casey.

Here's the thing, what do you mean by value? TSN's pricing has really taken away many of the bargains, by value you're arguing over maybe .5 mil, or talking about a player in the wrong park, maybe 1.5 mil.

by Ortiz I'm guessing D Ortiz? You want a guy who will bat .245 in your park? And I've had good luck platooning Moyer with B Lawrence, becasue you'd be suprised how many teams play with 6 RH hitters. As Cummings mentioned (I think) Seanez is also very good in a pitchers park for cheaper and easier to ge then Shields. Also, if you're not going to go speed with Mauer, the only other option to go for is Redmond, he is a must have in the pitchers parks.

Maybe we should go to a hitters park like the Cell.... the strategy is much easier to all agree on?

Barajas
Pena/Shelton/T Clark
Kent/Kennedy/Hudson
AROD (must be first pick)
Glaus/A Ram/Cabrera
Floyd
Griffey/Wells/Edmonds
B Giles
Garabito,Young/Ortiz/Hafner

then get cheap very low BP HR pitchers:
Lacke, Glavine, Byrd, Burnett
or the non *, Bedard, Vargas, Thomson, etc

Might be easier to plan?

btw, I'm not trying to sound like such a jackass, just I have never been able to put things in a way without sounding like an AHole, I just can't.
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Postby cummings2 » Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:46 pm

well then, let's see...

I have a little time so I'll rant:

1B. This set I've scrificed defense in the corners much more than last year. Particularly 1B, 3B and LF. I try to keep the e's down but I don't mind sending 4's in all 3 positions. With that in mind, I am not too crazy about D.Lee he does put up big numbers pretty much all the time but I can't help thinking I am paying for defense and speed at positions I don't really need them: 1B and 3rd in the LU. I don't like his clutch nor his price tag. I've only started playing him in two teams, one in coors and I'm not too impressed. Main problem I had building teams with him is that in order to max his production I need guys to get Ob in front of him to score and guys who can drive him in but he takes so much $$ that I couldn't find a combo I liked.

2B/SS I still like my 1s up the middle. Ideally Castiillo/Wilson. I like Castillo's speed and bat vs. LHP. his OB vs. RHP is still quite good IMO. His inj. is not that bad. Most 2B/SS combo ammount to negligible offense -most, not all- so if that's the case I want the best defense available. Jeter did very well for me and he seems to be quite reliable.

3B. As I said, I sacrifice defense here and the pool is versatile enough to platoon. I think a platoon of Betemit/Cirillo cn be very productive for about 6 mil. Polanco is nice, I guess. hasn't really performed all that wow for me but not a bad card.

LF. I like the Rivera/Anderson plaatoon. Helps against reverse pitchers, has good clutch and OK slg. quite low OBP but it's function is to drive in and not quite be driven in.

RF/CF this is my achilles heel. I like Duffy, wish he was fater, more durable and more pop. Like Ichiro...wish he could hit righties, like Andrew... wish he had more direct HRs and lower price. Like Wells... if he could hit righties. Not much help here. Vlad is for me the best RF considering defense, price, offense. He seems to hit well Righties and Lefties coors or petco. He'd be a top choice for me. Giles is OK but bit pricy for what he produces.

C. I like Redmond for clutch and defense. Matheny seems oK for value and defense. Adds 10 to 15 HRs as bonus. Mauer is quite nice. Benji as a Full timer has done quite well for me.

I get the feeling this is still not what you want :(

pitching wise I think you can draft your 11 pitchers in the bottom of your card, end with none and post waivers arrange a very good staff. the pool is deep enough. But that is just my opinion.

hope this is more towards what your after coffee.
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Postby Coffeeholic » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:40 pm

[quote:c762c27c68="Cummings2"]hope this is more towards what your after coffee.[/quote:c762c27c68]

Uh, excuse me C2, but that's "Mr. Coffee" to you! :wink:
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Postby Coffeeholic » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:43 pm

[quote:90a2376197="geekor"]btw, I'm not trying to sound like such a jackass, just I have never been able to put things in a way without sounding like an AHole, I just can't.[/quote:90a2376197]

Not at all geekor! I really do appreciate you taking time to pass along your insights.

Actually, I worry about this very thing all the time... I never seem to get my written word to express my true meaning. :roll:
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