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Line-up help..Pujols 6th or 7th vs LHP? ;-)

PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:02 pm
by SCOTTBROWN
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/2006/team/team_other.html?user_id=5573


:lol: It was a $200M live draft so most of the teams have lots of O. I just havent had a team w/ this much potential before. My offense will have to score a lot of runs as my pitching will let a bunch cross the plate.

vs LHP
Young,M
Gomes,J
Wright,D
Murton,M
Cameron,M
Pujols,A
Ortiz,D*
Fasano,S
Utley,C*


vs RHP
Conine,J
Gomes,J
Pujols,A
Ortiz,D*
Wright,D
Young,M
Utley,C*
Lane,J
Fasano,S

PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:06 pm
by visick
hmmm...

Tough dilemma.


I'd trade Pujols to visick, if I were you.


FWIW- I've used Albert 2X so far, batting him 3rd. vs. RH's and 6th. vs. LH's.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:21 pm
by SCOTTBROWN
I think I sent you a message earlier today about a trade..??

PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:06 am
by visick
Never got anything Scott.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:59 pm
by MARCPELLETIER
Why not Pujols leading-off? He has good-onbase, he has the running star that is so sweet, he has lots of walks/HBPs vs lhp---walks are as good as singles for lead-offs, so it is preferrable to have your single hitters lower in the line-up (at least in dh leagues where the pitcher doesn't come bunting).

Young has more on-base, but he has lots of single**, and he has no star for stealing base. And also, Pujols has overall a better card than Young, so I feel that you lose too much by dumping Pujols sixth and having Young get approximately 50 more at-bats than him.

Of course, Young will make sense at lead-off if Pujols were hitting 3rd or 4th, but you have Wright, Cameron, and Ortiz with more power than Pujos, so they deserve to be in the heart of the line-up. Furthermore, Pujols has too many gbA to be second hitter. So leading off with him is the best option.


Not sure about your logic of using Morton 4th. In your team, Wright and Cameron have the best cards vs lhp, with Gomez, Fasano and Ortiz pretty much tied up a step back, along with Pujols. Gomes is a nice 2nd hitter because of good on-base and very low dp numbers. Given that Cameron has more slugging and better clutch, I would be tempted to use him 5th, which would mean that Wright should be 4th (I now believe that the 4th spot, and not the 3rd spot, should be the role of your best hitter, see "the book" thread). Cameron could also be used 4th, with Wright 3rd, if you prefer it this way. But I prefer the first option, because this will allow you to use Fasano (a lefty specialist) in the 3rd spot, increasing his chance to face more lefties than rhp.

So, Pujols-Gomes-Fasano-Wright-Cameron-Ortiz.

If you like to do micro-managing, though, I would not hesitate to lift Ortiz 3rd against lhp such as Santana, with Utley becoming 6th, and Fasano becoming 7th.

As for your three last 3 spots, in your homefield, they are pretty much a wash offensively---but in pitchers park, Utley is the less competent player. So again, if you like micro-managing, I would definitively use Utley 9th in pitchers parks.

In your stadium, though, I would consider the fact that Murton and Young have a lot of gbA and a lot of single** to be used behind Utley, who can steal a few bases. This would mean to have 7-Utley, 8-Murton, 9-Young.

The problem is that this leaves you with 2 straight left-handed hitters in 6-Ortiz and 7-Utley, and 200M leagues usually have a lot of left-handed situational relievers.

Again, if you like micro-managing, I would consider two different line-ups, depending if you are facing a team with left-handed specialists or not. If you do, then I would simply put Utley 9th, to keep him separate from Ortiz, and have Morton 7th, in the hope that his single** drive in a heavy Ortiz who would not be able to score otherwise!!

PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:18 am
by SCOTTBROWN
[quote:2a316e105d]Why not Pujols leading-off? He has good-onbase, he has the running star that is so sweet, he has lots of walks/HBPs vs lhp---walks are as good as singles for lead-offs, so it is preferrable to have your single hitters lower in the line-up (at least in dh leagues where the pitcher doesn't come bunting). [/quote:2a316e105d]

** Good thought and although it went thru my mind, my thinking was to have 2 different line-ups w/ in one. Pujols would be my 2nd lead-off guy, w/ some pop (BP chances) to still be able to drive in runs, where at the 1 spot, he may not get as many chances. Since Young has no pop, I thought he may be better suited there...



[quote:2a316e105d]Young has more on-base, but he has lots of single**, and he has no star for stealing base. And also, Pujols has overall a better card than Young, so I feel that you lose too much by dumping Pujols sixth and having Young get approximately 50 more at-bats than him. [/quote:2a316e105d]

** I'm not too worried about the * rating, that may change if I struggle but it isn't high on my list, I was worried more about power or lack of

Of course, Young will make sense at lead-off if Pujols were hitting 3rd or 4th, but you have Wright, Cameron, and Ortiz with more power than Pujos, so they deserve to be in the heart of the line-up. Furthermore, Pujols has too many gbA to be second hitter. So leading off with him is the best option.


[quote:2a316e105d]Not sure about your logic of using Morton 4th. In your team, Wright and Cameron have the best cards vs lhp, with Gomez, Fasano and Ortiz pretty much tied up a step back, along with Pujols. Gomes is a nice 2nd hitter because of good on-base and very low dp numbers. Given that Cameron has more slugging and better clutch, I would be tempted to use him 5th, which would mean that Wright should be 4th (I now believe that the 4th spot, and not the 3rd spot, should be the role of your best hitter, see "the book" thread). Cameron could also be used 4th, with Wright 3rd, if you prefer it this way. But I prefer the first option, because this will allow you to use Fasano (a lefty specialist) in the 3rd spot, increasing his chance to face more lefties than rhp. [/quote:2a316e105d]

** I was thinking w/ Murtons high OB vs LHP, he may be able to get on for Cameron w/ the high BP#s and the naturals...I am not done debating this one though.

[quote:2a316e105d]So, Pujols-Gomes-Fasano-Wright-Cameron-Ortiz.

If you like to do micro-managing, though, I would not hesitate to lift Ortiz 3rd against lhp such as Santana, with Utley becoming 6th, and Fasano becoming 7th.

As for your three last 3 spots, in your homefield, they are pretty much a wash offensively---but in pitchers park, Utley is the less competent player. So again, if you like micro-managing, I would definitively use Utley 9th in pitchers parks.

In your stadium, though, I would consider the fact that Murton and Young have a lot of gbA and a lot of single** to be used behind Utley, who can steal a few bases. This would mean to have 7-Utley, 8-Murton, 9-Young.

The problem is that this leaves you with 2 straight left-handed hitters in 6-Ortiz and 7-Utley, and 200M leagues usually have a lot of left-handed situational relievers.

Again, if you like micro-managing, I would consider two different line-ups, depending if you are facing a team with left-handed specialists or not. If you do, then I would simply put Utley 9th, to keep him separate from Ortiz, and have Morton 7th, in the hope that his single** drive in a heavy Ortiz who would not be able to score otherwise!! [/quote:2a316e105d]

I do like to micro-manage..sometimes. What I have found what happnes is I set a line-up for one series and then do not have time to "micro-manage" the next series, leaving my line-ups the same from the previous series.

Great input MW, it is much appreciated. Much better than SOCALs original advise. :wink:

Scott

PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:03 am
by visick
Just trying to help out... :?

As commish of this league, I "could" force a trade to my team.
(Konerko "could" solve ALL of your lineup problems).

PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:29 am
by SCOTTBROWN
and me being such the nice guy i am (just ask my employees) i would do as commanded :roll: :wink:

PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:48 am
by visick
:D :shock: