I am bringing up a point that could be a BIIIGGGG problem....Since most of us are close to 45-50 bucks after 10 picks, almost EVERYONE is going for realitively cheap guys which means that a lot of more expensive pitchers in the 3-5 million range will be on no team after the autodraft and no one will be able to afford them in their salary caps...WHAT IF THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH PLAYERS TO FILL ROSTERS WITHIN the 60 million CAP from National league teams only.
In other words, when Riggo figured out that the average salary of all teams is below 60 million, that included a lot of 3-5 million dollar pitchers who may be the ONLY available free agents and no one can afford them...I think this is a real possibility given my permutations of who is going to be listed on everyone's autodraft rosters.....
NL Only League / 60 mil Cap & Live Draft
by childsmwc » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:03 am
Sneezedoc,
If necessary, teams will have to cut players to get their team under the cap with all NL players. That can be done my cutting offense (lots of .50 hitters) or by cutting pitching (Koosman may not be able to make my final roster).
In the end it all has to even out, because there is only $725 million in salary in the entire NL pool. Therefore, for every owner that is over budget there is an owner under budget.
Bbrool
If necessary, teams will have to cut players to get their team under the cap with all NL players. That can be done my cutting offense (lots of .50 hitters) or by cutting pitching (Koosman may not be able to make my final roster).
In the end it all has to even out, because there is only $725 million in salary in the entire NL pool. Therefore, for every owner that is over budget there is an owner under budget.
Bbrool
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by Sneezedoc » Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:37 am
Brool, I think you are missing the point...if you cut Koosman, who can pick him up??? Every player except for about 10 have to be on a roster....if you eliminate guys like Koosman, etc, you are going to have some teams of only 52 million or so , who can not make any moves to increase payroll)....
Let me give you an example...let's say I have a payroll of 60 million but 4 ALers on my roster of 500,000 each....but there are only 3 million dollar NL pitchers remaining....You can not drop below 24 players...so you are saying, I HAVE to let's say DROP MC COVEY, just to pick up worse offensive players in order to have enough money to replace the cheapo ALers who "accidentally" got put on my team????...that would be VERY unfair and obviate the entire reason for a 10 round autodraft to pick players for our stadiums we chose
Let me give you an example...let's say I have a payroll of 60 million but 4 ALers on my roster of 500,000 each....but there are only 3 million dollar NL pitchers remaining....You can not drop below 24 players...so you are saying, I HAVE to let's say DROP MC COVEY, just to pick up worse offensive players in order to have enough money to replace the cheapo ALers who "accidentally" got put on my team????...that would be VERY unfair and obviate the entire reason for a 10 round autodraft to pick players for our stadiums we chose
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by JKolak » Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:25 am
[quote:57e7eb9747]I am bringing up a point that could be a BIIIGGGG problem....Since most of us are close to 45-50 bucks after 10 picks, almost EVERYONE is going for realitively cheap guys which means that a lot of more expensive pitchers in the 3-5 million range will be on no team after the autodraft and no one will be able to afford them in their salary caps...WHAT IF THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH PLAYERS TO FILL ROSTERS WITHIN the 60 million CAP from National league teams only.
In other words, when Riggo figured out that the average salary of all teams is below 60 million, that included a lot of 3-5 million dollar pitchers who may be the ONLY available free agents and no one can afford them...I think this is a real possibility given my permutations of who is going to be listed on everyone's autodraft rosters.....
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Since the rest of you drafted the most expensive hitters and I was in the $30M range after the draft, the only players I can draft are the $3-$5M pitchers. I drafted conservatively. I may pay a price for it. However, the point made IMO is rather moot. Looks like I may have monopoly on this market. Not sure if that is good or bad.
My team is drafted. Will check in later on and check on the status of things.
In other words, when Riggo figured out that the average salary of all teams is below 60 million, that included a lot of 3-5 million dollar pitchers who may be the ONLY available free agents and no one can afford them...I think this is a real possibility given my permutations of who is going to be listed on everyone's autodraft rosters.....
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Since the rest of you drafted the most expensive hitters and I was in the $30M range after the draft, the only players I can draft are the $3-$5M pitchers. I drafted conservatively. I may pay a price for it. However, the point made IMO is rather moot. Looks like I may have monopoly on this market. Not sure if that is good or bad.
My team is drafted. Will check in later on and check on the status of things.
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by JayJelinek » Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:52 am
I'm locked and loaded also but waiting for Bbrool to fill the East before firing. :)
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by childsmwc » Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:35 pm
Sneezedoc,
No you are missing the point. If there is only $725 million in total salary for all the NL players in the set and we collectively have 12 x $60 million to spend or $720 million. All of the players will have to be drafted. I am one of those owners that drafted too much salary and in all likelihood will have to drop a top player. A few owners like JKolak, will benefit from these drops as they pull their team salary up to $60 million. It is not the drafts fault, if I eventually can't field a team with my current line up, its mine for not understanding the dynamics of NL 1969. For me the choice will be a simple one, cut Kooseman for two or three of those $3mil starters.
Now I guess there is the possibility that everyone has $2 or $3 mil to spend each with say J. Koosman and P. Niekro only on the FA wire. Collectively the league could afford both players, but seperately no one can make a FA move. If we had say done a 25 round live draft, this same dynamic would have occurred however. Typically most live draft rules would require you to drop your highest priced player if you cant afford to draft someone. When you are drafting with that rule set you would have seen some much more conserative drafting in the first 10 rounds.
The dynamics of this NL draft will be that for those of us who spent big money early, we will decide who to keep and cut, while those that saved money will get the leftover, high priced players we chose to cut.
Trading should be a very real option in this league as well.
I will have my team entered here in a few hours.
Bbrool
No you are missing the point. If there is only $725 million in total salary for all the NL players in the set and we collectively have 12 x $60 million to spend or $720 million. All of the players will have to be drafted. I am one of those owners that drafted too much salary and in all likelihood will have to drop a top player. A few owners like JKolak, will benefit from these drops as they pull their team salary up to $60 million. It is not the drafts fault, if I eventually can't field a team with my current line up, its mine for not understanding the dynamics of NL 1969. For me the choice will be a simple one, cut Kooseman for two or three of those $3mil starters.
Now I guess there is the possibility that everyone has $2 or $3 mil to spend each with say J. Koosman and P. Niekro only on the FA wire. Collectively the league could afford both players, but seperately no one can make a FA move. If we had say done a 25 round live draft, this same dynamic would have occurred however. Typically most live draft rules would require you to drop your highest priced player if you cant afford to draft someone. When you are drafting with that rule set you would have seen some much more conserative drafting in the first 10 rounds.
The dynamics of this NL draft will be that for those of us who spent big money early, we will decide who to keep and cut, while those that saved money will get the leftover, high priced players we chose to cut.
Trading should be a very real option in this league as well.
I will have my team entered here in a few hours.
Bbrool
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by JayJelinek » Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:52 pm
[quote:e0d0b85773="Bbrool"]Now I guess there is the possibility that everyone has $2 or $3 mil to spend each with say J. Koosman and P. Niekro only on the FA wire. Collectively the league could afford both players, but seperately no one can make a FA move.Bbrool[/quote:e0d0b85773]
From my point of view, which admittedly is not as experienced as all the others here, even this scenario is workable. If Koosman was available after waivers and I wanted him, but to do so I needed to clear $8M in cap space, I would do so, by either trades or switching out some $2M guys for $0.5M FA guys. I'd get Koosman and in the process would seed the FA market with $2M guys for the rest of the league.
In my mind, the math has to work out here. $725M in players, $720M in cap. Maneuvering prior to/during waivers may be a bit tortured, but it should all work out, and I am looking forward to a league where virtually all players are perforce used.
From my point of view, which admittedly is not as experienced as all the others here, even this scenario is workable. If Koosman was available after waivers and I wanted him, but to do so I needed to clear $8M in cap space, I would do so, by either trades or switching out some $2M guys for $0.5M FA guys. I'd get Koosman and in the process would seed the FA market with $2M guys for the rest of the league.
In my mind, the math has to work out here. $725M in players, $720M in cap. Maneuvering prior to/during waivers may be a bit tortured, but it should all work out, and I am looking forward to a league where virtually all players are perforce used.
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by T.Richardson » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:13 pm
DIVISIONS:
EAST
1.Sneezedoc - FORBES FIELD - Entered
4.CATom - JARRY PARK - Entered
7.RiggoDrill - DODGER STADIUM - Entered
10. BBrool - SAN DIEGO STADIUM - Entered
The Centrals turn. Password is sr
CENTRAL
2.Sykes - CANDLESTICK PARK
5. Meat - WRIGLEY FIELD
8. JayJelnick - CROSLEY FIELD
11. Jack - BUSCH STADIUM
WEST
3. JKolak - CONNIE MACK STADIUM (SHIBE)
6.PopeMollusk - CONNIE MACK STADIUM (SHIBE)
9. Bunbury - ASTRODOME
12. TRich - BUSCH STADIUM
EAST
1.Sneezedoc - FORBES FIELD - Entered
4.CATom - JARRY PARK - Entered
7.RiggoDrill - DODGER STADIUM - Entered
10. BBrool - SAN DIEGO STADIUM - Entered
The Centrals turn. Password is sr
CENTRAL
2.Sykes - CANDLESTICK PARK
5. Meat - WRIGLEY FIELD
8. JayJelnick - CROSLEY FIELD
11. Jack - BUSCH STADIUM
WEST
3. JKolak - CONNIE MACK STADIUM (SHIBE)
6.PopeMollusk - CONNIE MACK STADIUM (SHIBE)
9. Bunbury - ASTRODOME
12. TRich - BUSCH STADIUM
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