Dwight Gooden

[jjd77447]

In looking at rosters in other leagues i donnot see Gooden being picked up? just wondering why

[hechojazz]

I made sure to get Gooden on my very first 80s team. He was gone by midseason. For the price, his middlin' years just can't be justified.

[canauscot]

I got Gooden by default on my first team (after missing out on Clemens)and lucked out and got 1985.

In Fenway, he went 25-10 with 3.10 ERA and WHIP 1.21 and K'd 288 in 299IP.

Together with a best Gossage ('82) who had the same ERA at 3.10 with a WHIP of 1.03, they won me the division (but got swept in first round). But those are pretty ordinary numbers compared to the cards. Be prepared for ugly numbers because the pitchers are eventually going up against loaded hitters and vice versa.

[jjd77447]

My strat exper is from face to face leagues wth cards in hand. I had gooden on my teams 88 thru 92. he was a work horse for me eating innings and always posted a good to avg era and winning records. The old face to face leagues had 10 to 12 teams they were loaded teams with very few easy outs. this is my 1st team here, wonder if my face to exper means nothing. I guess i will take my beatings till i learn different. thx for the replies

[hechojazz]

Well in this game, there's a premium placed on trying to recognize that you've got a weak card year as early as possible, so you can try to utilize that player's $$ more efficiently elsewhere. A player's price balances the chance you'll get his great year with the chance you'll get his worst year, and takes into consideration the relative strength of the years in between. Should you land a relatively bad year, you're not getting enough bang for your buck. As your opponents will also be trying to troll through the free agent list as they go, and because you get penalized a higher and higher percentage of a dropped player's salary as you go, there's a constant tension between not waiting too long and not making a mistake by dropping someone too early (and watching another player grab him and ride him gleefully into the playoffs). It's all about asset allocation, and trading up where possible.

[JIMDAKE]

I think your F2F experience is definitely relevant. As you get deep into the season it costs a fortune to drop and pick up the bigger-$ players, and the lower-price guys are at bigger risk of really stinking. Once the initial jockeying for "best value" is done I'd still rather take a chance and have a weaker year from a great SP than keep recycling through bums. If you're hitting is good he'll still give you a chance to win even if it doesn't get a Cy Young. Not unlike real baseball IMHO.

[honestiago1]

The high-priced pitchers are usually worth the cost (exceptions: Valenzeula's bad year; Orel's bad year; SRogers' bad year).

Someone like Higuera simply doesn't have an unusable year (though he can have a fairly average one). In that case, you KNOW the worst case scenario. Jack Morris doesn't really have a shutdown year, 80s-game wise, but he doesn't have any years that are absolutely awful -- he'll get you 12-15 victories almost by default. All of Carlton's cards are good, as are Soto's (though this guy usually gets hammered for HR's in just about every league -- come playoff time, though, he can be clutch). The big guns simply give you more innings, allowing you to shorten up your bullpen to 2-3 guys.

Among the middling pitchers, some good gambles (IMHO) are:

Swan (some great years)
Barker (really only one extremely bad year)
Beattie (can be VERY good, due to high K rate, but a bit more or a gamble than the above)
CYoung (the guy is just a usable pitcher; his poor years are by and large still effective against LHP'S; perhaps a bit pricey at 3.37M, but he has two VERY good years)
Tanana (not really a middling guy, but a solid 3-4, especially if you put him in a low-HR park [as opposed to freakin] Tiger, where he actually pitched).

Among relievers, Henke is always good, and usually great. Lefferts, to me, is a bargain, as are Clear and ALopez (though they do have some AWFUL years there). ECK seems overpriced. I'd rather plunk down for 2-3M pitchers than one at 7M (for the same amount of money, I can gamble with Kern, Clear, Assenmacher, and Agosto). Sutter is a GREAT reliever, and cheap (one very bad year, though).

[jsam9801]

I stay away from the high priced relievers. For example, Lee Smith is way overpriced, when you can get Gene Garber, Todd Worrell or Don Carman (2-3 good years), among others.

There are so many bargains in the .75MM relief bin. Also, Gleaton, Sisk (yes, D-O-U-G!), Eichhorn and Leach can be absolute steals.

I have never paid more than $2.8 (Gossage, once) for a relief pitcher, and never will, even in ATG III. Just not worth it.

js

P.S. I have had Gooden twice, and had '85 one of those times. The other time, he was horrible :shock: . Too much feast or famine with his card, Mike Scott, too.