Labor Ratings trash talk section

[joethejet]

[quote:1785fb0b91]1.) you mentioned a 70/30 assumption on L-R, I think that means the batters would be facing 70% RHP's and 30% LHP's... but what is the assumption on pitchersfacing batters.. is that also 70% R's, 30 L's? [/quote:1785fb0b91]

It's actually a little more complicated as backwards guys will face more of the same hand than "hard" guys. I don't have the actual numbers here.


[quote:1785fb0b91]2.) are ratings based on each of our home ballparks? how are the 81 road games figured (our actual league average, straight or division-weighted... or some kind of "standard ballpark"?) [/quote:1785fb0b91]

I used the parks that you'll be playing in. The misleading park is that the extreme parks may help a team's rating more than it should. That is, the other team may be even better in your park than you are. The way I did this doesn't take that into consideration, but I think it's close enough for discussion.


[quote:1785fb0b91]3.) how do you handle offense platoons... at that same 70/30 ratings, with 70% of the the vs-R guy and 30% of the vs-L guy? e.g. I platoon McCovery and Deron Johnson... [/quote:1785fb0b91]

Yes. 70/30

[quote:1785fb0b91]4.) did you go with primary position ratings, or review initial boxscores to see positions... e.g. I use Musial in LF.. not 1B and Devore in RF, not LF... is that how you captured the defense? [/quote:1785fb0b91]

Usually it's pretty obvious, but when it's not I take a look at what you're doing. That's why it can take a little more time than I'd like.

[quote:1785fb0b91]On a wish list... if you built them that way, maybe you could post the vs. L ratings and vs. R ratings for our east division teams? Just so we can get a feel for our division and league since it's more lefty-oriented (I believe) than the rest of the league or the average you used. [/quote:1785fb0b91]

Hmmm, don't know if I want to do that. It's a competitive advantage to me. ;) I'll give it some thought.

[quote:1785fb0b91]On lineups... I guessing that the actual lineup order used may "defeat" the ratings.. e.g. if I bat some guys in a bad lineup order, that is in a way that reduces offense potential relative to inherent model assumptions, then actual results may end up wrose than predicted.. I know there's no practical way to quantify/adjust, but am I even thinking of that aspect correctly? [/quote:1785fb0b91]

Well, the team rating assumes all 8 spots get the same number of at bats so... I guess the order may not affect that, but the players you play may not be optimal from a "ratings" standpoint. e.g. take a look at what I told PBTR. It doesn't mean, however, that he's not better off doing what he's doing. The team ratings aren't that fine grained.

[quote:1785fb0b91]Anyway, had some time so I figured I'd post these questions.. or streams of consciousness really... and also thank you for the work. [/quote:1785fb0b91]

thanks, and thanks for posting the questions. Nice to know that someone at least had some thoughts on what I posted. It's fun to talk about. That's the best part of a league like this one. We have some guys that know ATG well and hopefully I can learn a few things from you guys.

Jet
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[The Last Druid]

JTJ: Looked on Sunday and didn't see a pay pal for that five team order I'm placing.

Tonight I'm playing one of the more interesting teams, Telegraph Sam. Riggodrill is using an interesting strategy that I have tried myself in ATG II. He has gone for the biggest ballpark singles team and a pitching staff comprised of every guy imaginable (save Ryan and Vandermeer) who has no ballpark single chances on their card. Do the pitching ratings reflect this as we are talking 4-5/108 less hits of ballpark singles on his pitchers cards at home?

Also not sure which iteration of my team got rated. The current version is likely the final version as the 95% return rate on drops will expire shortly. All my pitchers have between 5 and 6/108 chances for automatic groundball a's on their cards -except for Hunter and Gossage. That is like the equivalent of having an extra 1 2nd baseman in the field. Does that get reflected in either the pitching or defensive ratings?

Now for some trash talk. I'm very happy to be over .500 given the magnitude of my handicap on the road. If I can finish over .500 with this team in this league, I feel I will have accomplished something. Really my main competition is Charlie, we are the only two bandboxes in the league.
So far so good there.

You have some excellent values on your team. Frisch and Chance certainly are outstanding values in your park, and Frisch has to be in the top 5 of overall values in ATG III, especially in small ball parks. Dean was my favorite ATG II pitcher-- but his value really rises in bandbox parks and not so much in your type park. Feller is interesting. Nice low OBP but the hold may come back to bite you against certain teams. Knepper and Nolan are good values as is most of your pen. Obviously you are off to a fantastic start, but I actually think PBTR has the better team.

I just want a rematch, whatever happens. And we should have a division of Riggo Drill, you, me and PBTR given that the three of you are all disciples of your system. A twist is in order though. Our division should all be in the same prearranged park, to level the playing field (no pun intended). And you probably should draft before I buy the five pack as I now only have Wrigley 59. And you can choose whichever park to stick the other three of us in.

What say you?

[Play By The Rules]

Do we want to fold this into the proposed Grindi league? I'm game although I'm not wild about the ballpark idea.

[joethejet]

Central Included tonight:

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Name O Rat P Rat F Rat Tot
Wonder 7326 4832 355 2140
Monster 7282 4893 54 2334
Agates 7420 5198 507 1714
Busters 7302 5038 558 1705

Roadkil 7242 4806 407 2030
Hummers 6964 5120 220 1727
Falcons 7349 5494 328 1528
Cardinl 8152 6562 299 1291
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[joethejet]

[quote:a87dd5239f]JTJ: Looked on Sunday and didn't see a pay pal for that five team order I'm placing.[/quote:a87dd5239f]

Yeah, my life is crazy. I sent it tonight before reading this.

[quote:a87dd5239f]Tonight I'm playing one of the more interesting teams,.. Do the pitching ratings reflect this[/quote:a87dd5239f]

Yes, it is interesting. Leave it to Riggo to look at that. Yes, the ratings do take it into account. Might be interesting to note somehow in the stats. Maybe a feature that I'll add at some point.

[quote:a87dd5239f]Also not sure which iteration of my team got rated. [/quote:a87dd5239f] The one that you had on the night I posted.

[quote:a87dd5239f] automatic groundball a's on their cards -Does that get reflected in either the pitching or defensive ratings?[/quote:a87dd5239f]

Yes, it's in the pitching ratings like it subtracts from hitters with a ton of GBAs.

[quote:a87dd5239f]You have some excellent values on your team. Frisch and Chance [/quote:a87dd5239f]

Interesting and lucky that I could get Chance in Waivers after losing Terry to Bickel.

[quote:a87dd5239f]Dean was my favorite ATG II pitcher-- but his value really rises in bandbox parks and not so much in your type park.[/quote:a87dd5239f]

Well, I took him figuring that there would be plenty of HR parks. Didn't turn out that way, but he's still tough.

[quote:a87dd5239f]Feller is interesting. Nice low OBP but the hold may come back to bite you against certain teams. [/quote:a87dd5239f]

Yep, but with this league he's pretty safe.

[quote:a87dd5239f]Knepper and Nolan are good values as is most of your pen. [/quote:a87dd5239f]

That's what the ratings say! :)

[quote:a87dd5239f]Obviously you are off to a fantastic start, but I actually think PBTR has the better team.[/quote:a87dd5239f]

That's what the ratings say too! ;) I'm not sure Doug has enough power, but other than that he's pretty dang tough. We've been hot, I'm sure we'll cool off, but it's nice while it lasts.

[quote:a87dd5239f]I just want a rematch, whatever happens. [/quote:a87dd5239f]

I don't think that Riggo is using my ratings even though he has a copy. I think he's using his own. There are others that are more involved with my ratings than Riggo. Don't have any problem putting him in my division however. He's a tough, tough competitor.

[quote:a87dd5239f] And you probably should draft before I buy the five pack as I now only have Wrigley 59. And you can choose whichever park to stick the other three of us in. [/quote:a87dd5239f]

Oh, that doesn't matter too much to me, let's get this one over before starting the next one. When we start will depend on my life. This was really bad timing, but I couldn't refuse your challenge.

Posted the Central. Any comments/questions on the teams there? I know a couple have made significant changes so their w/l and ratings my not correlate really well for now.

Jet
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Jet

[Munich_Man]

Man, when you guys start talking about the cards, I feel like an idiot. :roll:

"All my pitchers have between 5 and 6/108 chances for automatic groundball a's... Lorem ipso hoccer foer tyr wuz de ras cora dola tymon ipso hoc cer fuz de ramas cora dola blah, blah, blah" :D

Anyway, I can only hope that Dave Parker is throwing out every fricking baserunner, cause his bat has been beyond putrid.

When your (supposedly) main RBI guy is batting .186/.271/.356, your team is in trouble.

I guess it can only get better... :roll:

(_)ß

[gkhd11a]

Well I decided to give up the pitching experiment. helped me sweep PBTR who has 2X my rating :shock: Looks like I may end up 62 -100 :shock:

[gkhd11a]

By the way it is my understanding that GBA's will also cause errors for fielders as well as double plays. Is it possible that a GBA is a net negative for a very top pitcher with a low whip?

[Proverbial Psalms]

[quote:bd6f99ee07="gkhd11a"]By the way it is my understanding that GBA's will also cause errors for fielders as well as double plays.[/quote:bd6f99ee07]

I'm not sure I understand completely what you might be saying... but I don't believe that gb-a's have anything to do with allowing more errors.

gb-a's can result FROM gb-x's where the defense ratings come into play, but NOT the other way around where gb-a's lead to error chances.

Or am I totally missing something?

[joethejet]

wj,

You're right, GBAs have nothing to do with errors.

Jet
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