Keeper league--with variations (well, MAYBE)

[honestiago1]

I noticed the tabbed career totals, too. That's why it seemed to me there wasn't much player movement, since everybody was playing until 1989 or so. Do we have the wrong spreadsheet, or do I just not know how to raed it?

MEANWHILE: Let me go ahead and rule on these league issues:

ORIGINAL DECADE RULES APPLY (with variations [see below]).

Our variations:

SALARY CAP: 80M (subject to vote after five seasons; never to be higher than 100M).

PITCHER'S BAT--this is real baseball. (he said, smugly). After every two seasons, we can revist this issue.

KEEPER .75's: limit 4 per team (2 players, 2 pitchers). As we've been warned by a Decade League veteran about this, we should be careful with these. Draft as many as you need, but only keep two at the end of each season.

STADIUM/HOME FIELD DRAFT: We will draft stadiums separate from players, a single round, in reverse order of the player draft first round. Stadium draft takes place BEFORE player draft (sort of a duh there).

TEAM NAMES: A combination of manager's actual geographic location (either the actual city, someplace nearby, or even the state itself [if we have a buncha NYC's, or NY's so be it! [hell, they had three teams at one time in the 40s-50s, right?) and a mascot of the manager's choice.

TEAM DIVISIONS: determiend randomly, as per decade league rules.

DRAFT: LM Bombers is the all-powerful draft GM.

Any questions, considerations, etc., before I copy this stuff into law?

[canauscot]

To emphasise BCManagers point about shortages in thin years;
in 1981 there are only 111 routinely eligible pitchers (not enough for everyone), so we'd need to use 75ers to fill out this year for pitchers for sure.
Catchers are critically thin on the ground in 1989 (only 19, not enough for every team to have 2).

But things aren't much thinner for hitters or pitchers if we use 1980 as a start and allow any 75ers.
Quality middle infielders are thin even in normal leagues and quite thin at the beginning and end of the decade.

I'd be for the usual decade rule of any 75ers anytime, but I wouldn't be against 1980 as a start. It is not that much thinner.

[honestiago1]

The first tab features the carded range, which is what we're supposed to use for the decade league. The second features the career years. I've gone through some of the players, and haven't found one with a carded year past 1990 (though their career totals are certainly beyond that. The career span list gets the first year right, which is the important one right now, as far as we're concerned. It also has the last years right, though you have to consider any player with a last year beyond 1990 to have his last carded year in 1990.

[canauscot]

BTW, I'm viewing a spreadsheet that has Clemens with first as 86 and last as 90 as per the card. Is that what we all are seeing? and playing by?

Clemens debuted in 1984 and clearly is still playing (although he has retired a couple of times?).

My udnerstanding is Decade rules mean carded beginning and end, meaning Clemens comes on line in 1986 not 1984, right?

[JIMDAKE]

Are there 2 spreadsheets in play?
I clicked the link on page 2 of the thread and downloaded "Team_Based_Decade_Keeper_League.xls"
I did a reverse sort on price (to drop the .75's to the bottom).... and now I have stats for Clemens and Hershiser at the top that includes their non-carded early years (Clemens 84, Orel 83). So...is there another spreadsheet that only lists the card years? Did the last Decade group use career start years rather than card start years?

[JIMDAKE]

There are indeed 2 spreadsheets, both posted on p.2.
LMB posted the one I was looking at & referring to. It has career years and stats and team data.

BC posted another one (YountFan's 80's Players), this one has the first & last carded years and I think it's what canauscot is referring to. And BC did indeed, in his first post, mention there were TWO lists. So if we stick with "YountFan's 80's Players" then we should have the carded years.
(So much for trashing the '83 season to get a good shot at Ol' Number 21, I'll have to wait til 85!).

Still have the issue of, for a player who came up before 1980 should we allow him to be eligible before his first carded year (Nolan Ryan is a good example, his first card year is 1983).

[LMBombers]

[quote:52ccb1a0a0="canauscot"]My udnerstanding is Decade rules mean carded beginning and end, meaning Clemens comes on line in 1986 not 1984, right?[/quote:52ccb1a0a0]

That is right. A player's actual career year span means nothing in this league. The only years that matter are the 5 possible years on his 80's game cards.

I am going to edit out that TEAM BASED link to end further confusion there.

[LMBombers]

[quote:f15f94d5ad="jjd77447"]i don't have exel, any other way go look at the list of players[/quote:f15f94d5ad]

If you PM me your email address I can email you the list of players elligible for the 1981 league. This includes all players with a first card year of 1981 or prior as well as all 75¢ players.

[LMBombers]

[quote:a63dacc00f="MRMS1970"]Looks like there "could be" a slight conflict between the rules around 1981 eligibility and the spreadsheet posted above (thank you, YF), depending upon how it's used. The 2nd set of tabs list simply first and last year....[/quote:a63dacc00f]

The spreadsheet only has two tabs. One for hitters and one for pitchers. :? The most important tabs for our decade league are the two all the way to the right hand side. These are the first carded year and last carded year for each player.

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