YIKES!!!! Shifting Sands Draft Thread

[FoggyOne]

I understood those rules to be in the alternative; 1 point if he is blak.....more if he played in a certain era....more if he is in HOF etc. i.e., no double-dipping.

My understanding is that we are trying to end up with a substantially african american team with a Jewish person too. Kind of like.......[INSERT POLITICALLY INCORRECT STATEMENT HERE].

Let the sands shift!

[spicki17]

wockenfuss - please see he's meat's post on the atg3 page. also,

[quote:52c48afd56]My understanding is that we are trying to end up with a substantially african american team with a Jewish person too.[/quote:52c48afd56]

this isnt really possible for 12 teams. there arent enough black players to go around. if this is the rule, this is going to be very difficult if not impossible for 12 teams to adhere to.

[Munich_Man]

[quote:ea139fa55a="wockenfuss"]I understood those rules to be in the alternative; 1 point if he is blak.....more if he played in a certain era....more if he is in HOF etc. i.e., no double-dipping.

My understanding is that we are trying to end up with a substantially african american team with a Jewish person too. Kind of like.......[INSERT POLITICALLY INCORRECT STATEMENT HERE].

Let the sands shift![/quote:ea139fa55a]

Still not sure. I need an official ruling on Banks points, since he IS black, he DID play before 54, he DID play in the negro leagues, and he did play for the Monarchs. Maybe 10, with no double dipping for negro leagues and Monarchs, since the others are not related.

[Mr Baseball World]

My intent was the more limited view(see note in other thread copied here in part):

[b:1c3605d2b1]In review there seem to be two things that are not clear. My intent was to have the 1/2/3/5 points for the black players not to be cumulative(makes it harder). My intent was that the first name, last name and nickname match be 1 point to be for each match so a player with the last name of Brown would match Ray and Willard Brown for 2 points.

A reminder as was noted before first name variations would be matches so Jim matches jimmy matches james, willie matches willard matcheswilliam etc. [/b:1c3605d2b1]

Was not intended to be a big obstacle, just did not want it too be way too easy. I think the 1 player per team creates issues but really see the 36 points as being if anything too easy.

[FoggyOne]

spicki: perhaps not "substantially" in the majoity sense....but to the extent required to get 35 "Buck Points"

[FoggyOne]

mrbbw: do i get more than one point for Larry Doby HOF? His first and last name match HOFer "Larry Doby".

[spicki17]

ok, lets keep this moving then.

ROUND 1
1 UncleNy - Hank Greenberg, Jewish DH
2 MemphisJohn - Babe Ruth, last name begins with R
3 DoctorTax - Willie Mays (Black,Negro LEague?, )
4 Modmark - Sandy Koufax, Jewish SP
5 MunichMan - Banks (7 Negro league points- 1 for "Buck", 1 for HOF name match , 5 for being black and playing on the Monarchs)

6 Wockenfuss/Foggy - Larry Doby (7 Negro league points- 1 for "D" in last name, 1 for HOF name match , 2 for playing pre 1954, and 3 points for playing in the Negro Leagues for the Newark Eagles)

7 [b:98f2cb429e]He'sMeat[/b:98f2cb429e]
8 Big Mahon
9 Spicki17
10 Ranger
11 giddyup
12 MRBBW

[Mr Baseball World]

It was intended that you need to match one of the 35 plus Buck that were there for their negro league accomplishments as the HOF lists them on their website(which does not include Doby, Robinson, Aaron etc) but that was probably not clear since the only way to see the 35 I was referring to was in the link.

Poorly drafted rules though are subject to the interpretation of the court(you) so it is your call ultimately.

Largely guys at this point, whatever. The easy part is getting all the complaints and the more problematic part only one complaint. Change it in whole or in part.

The intent would have been for this scoring so far:

Ruth-[b:6d0a54d343]2 [/b:6d0a54d343]points (one of the negro league players was named George and one for the R
Willie Mays: 2 points for first name(Willie Wells and Willard Brown and then either 3 or 5 depending on whether he played for the monarchs) total either [b:6d0a54d343]5 or 7[/b:6d0a54d343]

Banks: 1 for B 5 for the Monarchs and 1 for Ernie matching Negro leaguer with first name of Ernest Total [b:6d0a54d343]7[/b:6d0a54d343]

Larry Doby: 1 for the d and 3 for the Negro leagues Total [b:6d0a54d343]4[/b:6d0a54d343]

Of course it could easily be interpreted differently and since the law would construe it against the drafter, a more liberal interpretation of the points is reasonable and fine by me as well

[STEPHENANDERSON 2]

SO.... the bottom line is....... is there enough players out there for 12 teams to accumulate 36 points each.... I guess really 21 points since 15 points is a given with team name,manager, and reason for picking the team already done????

[MEAT]

am I dreaming, or did someone post an alternate thread of negro leaguers that included recognition of banks, mays and some others having played there, which would increase the hall of fame class, and make it easier to score points. also, would expand the list of negro leaguers who are NOT hall of famers so you could get points for that. I scoured through both threads and can't find it. :cry: