AM-NAT league--Discussion and sign up

[LMBombers]

1. honestiag-TX
2. adamphoenix-NY
3. Genevajack-IL
4. bigdinkent - OH
5. LMBombers - DC
6. Billings Ballers - ID
7. YellowDog - NM
8. Sogcomando (AKA 1st Command Commando) - MN
9. MoCrash - MO
10. Rich Swerb -
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Rich, You need to pick a State for the pick 3 draft order lotto that will be run when the league is full.

[honestiago1]

If you do divorce your wife, a la Rich, you can only choose a new wife from the "team screen." I'd avoid ALL Carolina cheerleaders for the moment, as they have sexuality issues (or maybe they don't).

Vis-a-vis dogs and cats: no pets can be put to sleep unless they are named after a player on your team. If I happen to get San Diego, then, it's curtains for my poor tabby, Ed Whitson.

(and yeah -- that was a weird post. Welcome Rich!)

[richswerb]

I've seen a picture of those Panther cheerleaders. I'll avoid them like I avoid money, lobster, sex, and sports. :wink:

Since my home state of Ohio is taken, give me Virginia.

[honestiago1]

1. honestiag-TX
2. adamphoenix-NY
3. Genevajack-IL
4. bigdinkent - OH
5. LMBombers - DC
6. Billings Ballers - ID
7. YellowDog - NM
8. Sogcomando (AKA 1st Command Commando) - MN
9. MoCrash - MO
10. Rich Swerb - VA
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[MoCrash]

The clarified rules look good to me, but the issue of trading is only mentioned obliquely. While franchise players cannot be traded, my question is whether a non-fanchise player can be traded to a team for which he did play (i.e. St. Louis Royals trade for Joe Morgan, who played for neither team but is not a franchise player). There's an inference that he may be, but since there's no section for "trades" it isn't clear.

[honestiago1]

For now, I put "No trades -- players play for the teams they actually played on." This is subject to change, of course (I don't want to lose managers). And I think it's fair to say no trading of 5y's at all (which I have).

My reasoning for no trades:
Personally, I like the idea of using the "minor league system" (team screens and non-drafted team screens -- four team screens worth of players, basically). I think if we stick with no trades, it will force us to be more creative with what we got. That said, I am willing to discuss it over the next day or two.

What does everyone else think?

[MoCrash]

I've read the clarified rules, but the trades section doesn't seem consistent with your latest post. I was under the impression that trades could be made for players who have played for one's teams (which, of course, would automatically exclude franchise players), with which I agree. However, the rules as stated would completely exclude trading, even for players who were once members of one of the teams. At least that's how I read it.

It is also stated in the rules that FAs from non-drafted teams are available after the AD. If a player never played for any of the drafted teams, and isn't taken in the two-round pre-AD FA draft, then is he still available after AD? Also, in the pre-AD FA draft, can a non-drafted team's franchise player be selected?

I hate coming up with all of these questions, not trying to be a pest about it, but with a theme like this (which should really be a good one once we get the league together) there seem to be a number of issues which need resolution or explanation.

[LMBombers]

Once we are through the AD you will have a long list of players that have at least one card for each of your teams. Personally I think this is a large enough player pool to form a team with and still to have many available players to pick up throughout the year. I suggest we scrap the free agent part of the rules.

To begin with there will only be two teams not selected in the 2 round team draft. Everyone would then be selecting their "free agents" from players who played 3 or more years with one of these teams or is a 2-2 player that played for one of these teams first. How many of these players also have cards for teams that will be selected in the team draft? I would bet quite a few. This sort of messes up the owners who have those teams. I think it gets way too confusing to have free agents. I say again that the list of players who have at least one card for your two teams is large enough as it is.

I think the whole Free Agent thing was set up originally when the league rules would only allow you to use 3 year or more players or 2-2 guys that played for your team first. Under those circumstances your available player pool was much more limited. After the rule change allowing you to pick up any player that has a card year for your team now gives you all the players you really need.

As far as trades go I think you could only trade a player from your team to an owner who has a team that that player has a card year for. I thought that was how it was already set up in the rules.

[honestiago1]

The "ownership" issue (2y's, 3y's,, etc.) applies only to the autodraft phase. Once the year starts, I think the rule should be, "players can only play for teams that appear on their mystery card list." I suppose this would allow trades for such players, right?

Would it be best just to say, "Any trades are acceptable, provided the player actually played for one of the actual teams?"

[LMBombers]

Yes, that is best. The Free Agent thing was just too complicated. Every owner will have a long list of possible players to use for each of their two teams. That is plenty of possible players.