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Postby maligned » Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:10 am

LM--nevermind..thanks anyway.
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Postby cummings2 » Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:28 am

Cumulative Draft:
stevep107: Abreu, Edmonds, Crawford, Mauer, Rollins, Dunn, D. Bell, B. Colon, N. Lowry, Capuano, Ameriquest
Cummings2: A-Rod, L.Castillo, Ichiro, D.Wright, D.Lee, Fenway, duffy, B.J. Ryan, G. Anderson, Lofton, Shields
spicki17: clemens, mramirez, tejada, heilman, chavez, gibbons, spivey, branyan, linebrink, us cell, bradley
maligned: Jones, Helton, Ensberg, O. Hudson, o.vizquel, Harden, small, beckett, hampton, bedard, B. Molina, L. Walker
mcsoupy: Willis, Giambi, Floyd, Buerhle, Belliard, Sizemore, Kotsay, dolphins, Schneider, Chacin, Mulder
Marcus Wilby: Martinez, R. Johnson, Zambrano, Roberts, J.Wilson, Wagner, Podsednik, Polanco, José_Molina, Drew, Sexson,
LMBombers: Cabrera, Carpenter, Minute Maid, Gomes, Shelton, Figgins, Furcal, J. Guillen, Barajas, Sullivan, Seanez
Charlie M2: Hernandez, Teixeira, Duke, Jeter, Seo, H. Matsui, Damon, Mora, Kazmir, Rogers, Iguchi
Kaviksdad: Santana, Guerrero, Peavy, Griffey, Young, D. Davis, M. Rivera, Murton, A. Everett, A. Ramirez; Vargas
odieworks: Ortiz, T. Clark, Berkman, Chipper, Zito, V Martinez, Tropicana, Carrasco, Francoeur, Garland, Blanton
Qksilver: Pettitte, B Giles, Hafner, R Howard, Utley, Valentin, DeJesus, Sabathia, Reyes, Betemit, Eyre
Sknsfan: Pujols, Bay, Kent, Glaus, Lugo, McAfee, Smoltz, Lidge, Glavine, Gonzalez, Taveras

ROUND 11
121. stevep107 - Ameriquest
122. Cummings2 - Scott Shields
123. spicki17 - milton bradley
124. maligned - e. bedard
125. mcsoupy - M. Mulder
126. marcus wilby - Richie Sexson (proxy)
127. LMBombers - Rudy Seanez
128. cminton - Iguchi
129. kaviksdad - J. Vargas
130. odieworks - Blanton
131. qksilver - Eyre
132. maligned (via trade w/sknsfan) - B.Molina

ROUND 12
133. maligned (via trade w/sknsfan) - L.Walker
134. qksilver -
135. odieworks -
136. kaviksdad -
137. cminton -
138. LMBombers -
139. marcus wilby -
140. mcsoupy -
141. maligned -
142. spicki17 -
143. cummings2 -
144. stevep107 -
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Postby qksilver69 » Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:23 am

umulative Draft:
stevep107: Abreu, Edmonds, Crawford, Mauer, Rollins, Dunn, D. Bell, B. Colon, N. Lowry, Capuano, Ameriquest
Cummings2: A-Rod, L.Castillo, Ichiro, D.Wright, D.Lee, Fenway, duffy, B.J. Ryan, G. Anderson, Lofton, Shields
spicki17: clemens, mramirez, tejada, heilman, chavez, gibbons, spivey, branyan, linebrink, us cell, bradley
maligned: Jones, Helton, Ensberg, O. Hudson, o.vizquel, Harden, small, beckett, hampton, bedard, B. Molina, L. Walker
mcsoupy: Willis, Giambi, Floyd, Buerhle, Belliard, Sizemore, Kotsay, dolphins, Schneider, Chacin, Mulder
Marcus Wilby: Martinez, R. Johnson, Zambrano, Roberts, J.Wilson, Wagner, Podsednik, Polanco, José_Molina, Drew, Sexson,
LMBombers: Cabrera, Carpenter, Minute Maid, Gomes, Shelton, Figgins, Furcal, J. Guillen, Barajas, Sullivan, Seanez
Charlie M2: Hernandez, Teixeira, Duke, Jeter, Seo, H. Matsui, Damon, Mora, Kazmir, Rogers, Iguchi
Kaviksdad: Santana, Guerrero, Peavy, Griffey, Young, D. Davis, M. Rivera, Murton, A. Everett, A. Ramirez; Vargas
odieworks: Ortiz, T. Clark, Berkman, Chipper, Zito, V Martinez, Tropicana, Carrasco, Francoeur, Garland, Blanton
Qksilver: Pettitte, B Giles, Hafner, R Howard, Utley, Valentin, DeJesus, Sabathia, Reyes, Betemit, Eyre, Kapler
Sknsfan: Pujols, Bay, Kent, Glaus, Lugo, McAfee, Smoltz, Lidge, Glavine, Gonzalez, Taveras

ROUND 11
121. stevep107 - Ameriquest
122. Cummings2 - Scott Shields
123. spicki17 - milton bradley
124. maligned - e. bedard
125. mcsoupy - M. Mulder
126. marcus wilby - Richie Sexson (proxy)
127. LMBombers - Rudy Seanez
128. cminton - Iguchi
129. kaviksdad - J. Vargas
130. odieworks - Blanton
131. qksilver - Eyre
132. maligned (via trade w/sknsfan) - B.Molina

ROUND 12
133. maligned (via trade w/sknsfan) - L.Walker
134. qksilver - Kapler
135. odieworks -
136. kaviksdad -
137. cminton -
138. LMBombers -
139. marcus wilby -
140. mcsoupy -
141. maligned -
142. spicki17 -
143. cummings2 -
144. stevep107 -
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Postby odieworks » Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:47 am

Cumulative Draft:
stevep107: Abreu, Edmonds, Crawford, Mauer, Rollins, Dunn, D. Bell, B. Colon, N. Lowry, Capuano, Ameriquest
Cummings2: A-Rod, L.Castillo, Ichiro, D.Wright, D.Lee, Fenway, duffy, B.J. Ryan, G. Anderson, Lofton, Shields
spicki17: clemens, mramirez, tejada, heilman, chavez, gibbons, spivey, branyan, linebrink, us cell, bradley
maligned: Jones, Helton, Ensberg, O. Hudson, o.vizquel, Harden, small, beckett, hampton, bedard, B. Molina, L. Walker
mcsoupy: Willis, Giambi, Floyd, Buerhle, Belliard, Sizemore, Kotsay, dolphins, Schneider, Chacin, Mulder
Marcus Wilby: Martinez, R. Johnson, Zambrano, Roberts, J.Wilson, Wagner, Podsednik, Polanco, José_Molina, Drew, Sexson,
LMBombers: Cabrera, Carpenter, Minute Maid, Gomes, Shelton, Figgins, Furcal, J. Guillen, Barajas, Sullivan, Seanez
Charlie M2: Hernandez, Teixeira, Duke, Jeter, Seo, H. Matsui, Damon, Mora, Kazmir, Rogers, Iguchi
Kaviksdad: Santana, Guerrero, Peavy, Griffey, Young, D. Davis, M. Rivera, Murton, A. Everett, A. Ramirez; Vargas
odieworks: Ortiz, T. Clark, Berkman, Chipper, Zito, V Martinez, Tropicana, Carrasco, Francoeur, Garland, Blanton, N. Perez
Qksilver: Pettitte, B Giles, Hafner, R Howard, Utley, Valentin, DeJesus, Sabathia, Reyes, Betemit, Eyre, Kapler
Sknsfan: Pujols, Bay, Kent, Glaus, Lugo, McAfee, Smoltz, Lidge, Glavine, Gonzalez, Taveras

ROUND 11
121. stevep107 - Ameriquest
122. Cummings2 - Scott Shields
123. spicki17 - milton bradley
124. maligned - e. bedard
125. mcsoupy - M. Mulder
126. marcus wilby - Richie Sexson (proxy)
127. LMBombers - Rudy Seanez
128. cminton - Iguchi
129. kaviksdad - J. Vargas
130. odieworks - Blanton
131. qksilver - Eyre
132. maligned (via trade w/sknsfan) - B.Molina

ROUND 12
133. maligned (via trade w/sknsfan) - L.Walker
134. qksilver - Kapler
135. odieworks - Neifi Perez
136. kaviksdad -
137. cminton -
138. LMBombers -
139. marcus wilby -
140. mcsoupy -
141. maligned -
142. spicki17 -
143. cummings2 -
144. stevep107 -
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Postby MARCPELLETIER » Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:48 am

spicki,

your numbers are flawed to the extent that stadiums were not factored in. Harden has no HR-stadium as well as no single-stadium vs lhp. That puts him closer to Halladay than it appears.

Another very important difference is their hold ratings. Harden is -4, while Halladay is +5. That difference is about as big as you can find.

Perhaps in your simulation Halladay comes up with better ERA because your simulations didn't simulate proper line-ups. But if you have someone capable of stealing a base at the top of your line-up, as many good coaches will have, then the difference of outcome between Harden and Halladay is, I am sure, substantially reduced. In real-life Strat, Harden's hold is so low that you can actually decide very often to not hold the runner, thereby reducing on-base chances by about 4 chances for EVERY subsquent hitter. Halladay +5 however is so high that, even when a good runner steals second, you are almost forced to hold them at second.

I have played in real-life strat, and in one year, I played with a SP that had a +7 hold, and believe me, the "do you hold" question becomes so annoying that you want to rip off the card!!! The numbers of runs generated by a bad hold cumulate quite fast: bad throws to second base rise up, pushing sometimes runners from third to score. Double-plays opportunities are often lost. Opposing coaches change their line-up so that they have runners on top on their line-up. Even stealing home becomes a possibility!!! (For a runner like Figgins, stealing home with Halladay pitching (with a neutral catcher) has 45% of success, unless you hold Figgins at third). So oftentimes, you have to hold even with a player sitting on third.


As I write this, I realize that many of those opportunities to score are harder to take advantage of in our environment (although I find that TSN-SOM coaches could do more adjustments than they do on a daily basis. For example, line-ups should be changed to take advantage of a bad hold, but players here rarely do daily monitoring of their teams). In TSN-SOM, we don't know how Hal reacts with runners on first. If Hal holds every runner, even poor runners, as some people have claimed, then yes Hallday is probably better than Harden because Harden's -4 doesn't help you much.

Still, a difference as big as 1M is for me hard to defend.
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Postby MARCPELLETIER » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:03 am

Guys, please email me when my turn comes

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Postby kaviksdad » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:33 am

Cumulative Draft:
stevep107: Abreu, Edmonds, Crawford, Mauer, Rollins, Dunn, D. Bell, B. Colon, N. Lowry, Capuano, Ameriquest
Cummings2: A-Rod, L.Castillo, Ichiro, D.Wright, D.Lee, Fenway, duffy, B.J. Ryan, G. Anderson, Lofton, Shields
spicki17: clemens, mramirez, tejada, heilman, chavez, gibbons, spivey, branyan, linebrink, us cell, bradley
maligned: Jones, Helton, Ensberg, O. Hudson, o.vizquel, Harden, small, beckett, hampton, bedard, B. Molina, L. Walker
mcsoupy: Willis, Giambi, Floyd, Buerhle, Belliard, Sizemore, Kotsay, dolphins, Schneider, Chacin, Mulder
Marcus Wilby: Martinez, R. Johnson, Zambrano, Roberts, J.Wilson, Wagner, Podsednik, Polanco, José_Molina, Drew, Sexson,
LMBombers: Cabrera, Carpenter, Minute Maid, Gomes, Shelton, Figgins, Furcal, J. Guillen, Barajas, Sullivan, Seanez
Charlie M2: Hernandez, Teixeira, Duke, Jeter, Seo, H. Matsui, Damon, Mora, Kazmir, Rogers, Iguchi
Kaviksdad: Santana, Guerrero, Peavy, Griffey, Young, D. Davis, M. Rivera, Murton, A. Everett, A. Ramirez; Vargas; J. Castillo
odieworks: Ortiz, T. Clark, Berkman, Chipper, Zito, V Martinez, Tropicana, Carrasco, Francoeur, Garland, Blanton, N. Perez
Qksilver: Pettitte, B Giles, Hafner, R Howard, Utley, Valentin, DeJesus, Sabathia, Reyes, Betemit, Eyre, Kapler
Sknsfan: Pujols, Bay, Kent, Glaus, Lugo, McAfee, Smoltz, Lidge, Glavine, Gonzalez, Taveras

ROUND 11
121. stevep107 - Ameriquest
122. Cummings2 - Scott Shields
123. spicki17 - milton bradley
124. maligned - e. bedard
125. mcsoupy - M. Mulder
126. marcus wilby - Richie Sexson (proxy)
127. LMBombers - Rudy Seanez
128. cminton - Iguchi
129. kaviksdad - J. Vargas
130. odieworks - Blanton
131. qksilver - Eyre
132. maligned (via trade w/sknsfan) - B.Molina

ROUND 12
133. maligned (via trade w/sknsfan) - L.Walker
134. qksilver - Kapler
135. odieworks - Neifi Perez
136. kaviksdad - Jose Castillo
137. cminton -
138. LMBombers -
139. marcus wilby -
140. mcsoupy -
141. maligned -
142. spicki17 -
143. cummings2 -
144. stevep107 -
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Postby cminton » Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:03 am

Cumulative Draft:
stevep107: Abreu, Edmonds, Crawford, Mauer, Rollins, Dunn, D. Bell, B. Colon, N. Lowry, Capuano, Ameriquest
Cummings2: A-Rod, L.Castillo, Ichiro, D.Wright, D.Lee, Fenway, duffy, B.J. Ryan, G. Anderson, Lofton, Shields
spicki17: clemens, mramirez, tejada, heilman, chavez, gibbons, spivey, branyan, linebrink, us cell, bradley
maligned: Jones, Helton, Ensberg, O. Hudson, o.vizquel, Harden, small, beckett, hampton, bedard, B. Molina, L. Walker
mcsoupy: Willis, Giambi, Floyd, Buerhle, Belliard, Sizemore, Kotsay, dolphins, Schneider, Chacin, Mulder
Marcus Wilby: Martinez, R. Johnson, Zambrano, Roberts, J.Wilson, Wagner, Podsednik, Polanco, José_Molina, Drew, Sexson,
LMBombers: Cabrera, Carpenter, Minute Maid, Gomes, Shelton, Figgins, Furcal, J. Guillen, Barajas, Sullivan, Seanez
Charlie M2: Hernandez, Teixeira, Duke, Jeter, Seo, H. Matsui, Damon, Mora, Kazmir, Rogers, Iguchi, Green
Kaviksdad: Santana, Guerrero, Peavy, Griffey, Young, D. Davis, M. Rivera, Murton, A. Everett, A. Ramirez; Vargas; J. Castillo
odieworks: Ortiz, T. Clark, Berkman, Chipper, Zito, V Martinez, Tropicana, Carrasco, Francoeur, Garland, Blanton, N. Perez
Qksilver: Pettitte, B Giles, Hafner, R Howard, Utley, Valentin, DeJesus, Sabathia, Reyes, Betemit, Eyre, Kapler
Sknsfan: Pujols, Bay, Kent, Glaus, Lugo, McAfee, Smoltz, Lidge, Glavine, Gonzalez, Taveras

ROUND 11
121. stevep107 - Ameriquest
122. Cummings2 - Scott Shields
123. spicki17 - milton bradley
124. maligned - e. bedard
125. mcsoupy - M. Mulder
126. marcus wilby - Richie Sexson (proxy)
127. LMBombers - Rudy Seanez
128. cminton - Iguchi
129. kaviksdad - J. Vargas
130. odieworks - Blanton
131. qksilver - Eyre
132. maligned (via trade w/sknsfan) - B.Molina

ROUND 12
133. maligned (via trade w/sknsfan) - L.Walker
134. qksilver - Kapler
135. odieworks - Neifi Perez
136. kaviksdad - Jose Castillo
137. cminton - S. Green
138. LMBombers -
139. marcus wilby -
140. mcsoupy -
141. maligned -
142. spicki17 -
143. cummings2 -
144. stevep107 -
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Postby LMBombers » Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:13 am

Cumulative Draft:
stevep107: Abreu, Edmonds, Crawford, Mauer, Rollins, Dunn, D. Bell, B. Colon, N. Lowry, Capuano, Ameriquest
Cummings2: A-Rod, L.Castillo, Ichiro, D.Wright, D.Lee, Fenway, duffy, B.J. Ryan, G. Anderson, Lofton, Shields
spicki17: clemens, mramirez, tejada, heilman, chavez, gibbons, spivey, branyan, linebrink, us cell, bradley
maligned: Jones, Helton, Ensberg, O. Hudson, o.vizquel, Harden, small, beckett, hampton, bedard, B. Molina, L. Walker
mcsoupy: Willis, Giambi, Floyd, Buerhle, Belliard, Sizemore, Kotsay, dolphins, Schneider, Chacin, Mulder
Marcus Wilby: Martinez, R. Johnson, Zambrano, Roberts, J.Wilson, Wagner, Podsednik, Polanco, José_Molina, Drew, Sexson,
LMBombers: Cabrera, Carpenter, Minute Maid, Gomes, Shelton, Figgins, Furcal, J. Guillen, Barajas, Sullivan, Seanez, Dempster
Charlie M2: Hernandez, Teixeira, Duke, Jeter, Seo, H. Matsui, Damon, Mora, Kazmir, Rogers, Iguchi, Green
Kaviksdad: Santana, Guerrero, Peavy, Griffey, Young, D. Davis, M. Rivera, Murton, A. Everett, A. Ramirez; Vargas; J. Castillo
odieworks: Ortiz, T. Clark, Berkman, Chipper, Zito, V Martinez, Tropicana, Carrasco, Francoeur, Garland, Blanton, N. Perez
Qksilver: Pettitte, B Giles, Hafner, R Howard, Utley, Valentin, DeJesus, Sabathia, Reyes, Betemit, Eyre, Kapler
Sknsfan: Pujols, Bay, Kent, Glaus, Lugo, McAfee, Smoltz, Lidge, Glavine, Gonzalez, Taveras

ROUND 12
133. maligned (via trade w/sknsfan) - L.Walker
134. qksilver - Kapler
135. odieworks - Neifi Perez
136. kaviksdad - Jose Castillo
137. cminton - S. Green
138. LMBombers - Ryan Dempster
139. marcus wilby -
140. mcsoupy -
141. maligned -
142. spicki17 -
143. cummings2 -
144. stevep107 -
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Postby MARCPELLETIER » Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:21 am

Cumulative Draft:
stevep107: Abreu, Edmonds, Crawford, Mauer, Rollins, Dunn, D. Bell, B. Colon, N. Lowry, Capuano, Ameriquest
Cummings2: A-Rod, L.Castillo, Ichiro, D.Wright, D.Lee, Fenway, duffy, B.J. Ryan, G. Anderson, Lofton, Shields
spicki17: clemens, mramirez, tejada, heilman, chavez, gibbons, spivey, branyan, linebrink, us cell, bradley
maligned: Jones, Helton, Ensberg, O. Hudson, o.vizquel, Harden, small, beckett, hampton, bedard, B. Molina, L. Walker
mcsoupy: Willis, Giambi, Floyd, Buerhle, Belliard, Sizemore, Kotsay, dolphins, Schneider, Chacin, Mulder
Marcus Wilby: Martinez, R. Johnson, Zambrano, Roberts, J.Wilson, Wagner, Podsednik, Polanco, José_Molina, Drew, Sexson, Pierre
LMBombers: Cabrera, Carpenter, Minute Maid, Gomes, Shelton, Figgins, Furcal, J. Guillen, Barajas, Sullivan, Seanez, Dempster
Charlie M2: Hernandez, Teixeira, Duke, Jeter, Seo, H. Matsui, Damon, Mora, Kazmir, Rogers, Iguchi, Green
Kaviksdad: Santana, Guerrero, Peavy, Griffey, Young, D. Davis, M. Rivera, Murton, A. Everett, A. Ramirez; Vargas; J. Castillo
odieworks: Ortiz, T. Clark, Berkman, Chipper, Zito, V Martinez, Tropicana, Carrasco, Francoeur, Garland, Blanton, N. Perez
Qksilver: Pettitte, B Giles, Hafner, R Howard, Utley, Valentin, DeJesus, Sabathia, Reyes, Betemit, Eyre, Kapler
Sknsfan: Pujols, Bay, Kent, Glaus, Lugo, McAfee, Smoltz, Lidge, Glavine, Gonzalez, Taveras

ROUND 12
133. maligned (via trade w/sknsfan) - L.Walker
134. qksilver - Kapler
135. odieworks - Neifi Perez
136. kaviksdad - Jose Castillo
137. cminton - S. Green
138. LMBombers - Ryan Dempster
139. marcus wilby - Juan Pierre
140. mcsoupy -
141. maligned -
142. spicki17 -
143. cummings2 -
144. stevep107 -
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