Trades?

[the bigmje]

When is the best time to suggest trades.? I assume it is after waivers but since working on my first team I am not sure about anything.
Also about how many waiver deals do the 'vets' do after the Autodraft?

[geekor]

I seem to trade the most pre-waivers or half way through the season if my team is floundering.

Honestly, you don't see many trades, maybe a couple all season per league. Not sure why, Ive offered trades many times for a player the guy ends up dropping anyways, and then he ends up picking up who I offered him earlier. I guess most people prefer to take the FA route.

[LMBombers]

Pre-waivers could be the best time to trade. If you get somebody in a trade before waivers then you have one less hole to fill during waivers.

[BRIANSIELSKI]

[quote:c098093798]Honestly, you don't see many trades, maybe a couple all season per league. Not sure why, Ive offered trades many times for a player the guy ends up dropping anyways, and then he ends up picking up who I offered him earlier.[/quote:c098093798]

This is easy to answer for me.

Because when my remaining cash is <$30,000, the player(s) have to be exact in cash. I certainly can't increase my payroll above $80M.

Then, what you are offering, does me little good, and it comes back to payroll again.

That's the problem.

Doc

[markp65]

That's a good point Brian, but if the interest in the key players is there you can always tinker with scrubs to make the money work. It might take a little back and forth negotiation, but that's a fun part of the game that we all largely neglect.

I wish everyone seek to trade more -- especially before dropping players. I hate seeing one of those wholesale dumps on the FA wire, with players I would have been interested in -- but not if I have to take the 20 percent hit to get them. If I would have been contacted with a reasonable offer, I would have likely been receptive.

Even with my winning teams, I'm always looking at the other teams' rosters and trying to find situations where I can work a deal to get better while helping someone outside my division get better too. That's the key: the win-win component. I've pitched sweetheart deals to teams and the managers are wary and don't even bother to closely examine the deal or counter -- simply because I've solicited them for a trade and they're suspicious why! I wouldn't bother taking the time to put together an offer if it didn't have value to the other side.

It's easy to come up with good trade offers. One way is to look at the team statistics page. Let's say you're dissatisfied with one of your high-value offensive players. Look to pitch him to the teams with the poorest offenses. Or pitch him to teams where he's a good stadium fit. Of course, you can always pitch players to the teams who are struggling. Those are the best rosters to examine for a player who would suit your needs in return -- rather than the FA wire. But you have to consider the other guy's needs too and not enough managers bother.

[goredsox33]

[quote:47fb29cdef="geekor"]I seem to trade the most pre-waivers or half way through the season if my team is floundering.

Honestly, you don't see many trades, maybe a couple all season per league. Not sure why, Ive offered trades many times for a player the guy ends up dropping anyways, and then he ends up picking up who I offered him earlier. I guess most people prefer to take the FA route.[/quote:47fb29cdef]


I hate being in a league where there are very few trades........

I also cant stand being in a "quiet league" , where nobody talks...


but...what REALLY irritates me is when I offer a trade, and the other manager leaves it as "read"...without accepting or declinging!!!

[geekor]

[quote:a00efc474e="Dr. Brian"][quote:a00efc474e]Honestly, you don't see many trades, maybe a couple all season per league. Not sure why, Ive offered trades many times for a player the guy ends up dropping anyways, and then he ends up picking up who I offered him earlier.[/quote:a00efc474e]

This is easy to answer for me.

Because when my remaining cash is <$30,000, the player(s) have to be exact in cash. I certainly can't increase my payroll above $80M.

Then, what you are offering, does me little good, and it comes back to payroll again.

That's the problem.

Doc[/quote:a00efc474e]

not sure where you got that? I'm talking about something that ahs happened to me quite often.

Example (not real), say someone mentions they missed out on their SS, it's pre-waivers and I offer Rollins for S Drew. Say there is enough $$ on both sides, but he declines anyways. Later he drops Drew for someone, I pick up Drew for Rollins, then he picks up Rollins. That confuses me?? And it's happened to me quite a bit...

[MEAT]

may have to take down names from the responses here, atleast the ones who feel like me, that the art of the trade is as extinct as the t-rex in almost all strat leagues. not only does it eliminate one of the most fun things about this endeavor, afterall, you're ONLY a g-m, you don't play the games...but fellow managers tend to be rude more often than not in either not responding, or just declining without comment. afterall, I didn't really expect you to take the FIRST offer...but can we NEGOTIATE?! makes me want to start a mandatory trade league with some of youze guyz where you'd be required to make atleast one deal, or trade atleast one outfielder and or infielder and or pitcher during the 162-game campaign...now THAT sounds like fun. ive even sent offers that said, look, I know HAL says in big red ink right now that this trade puts you or I over the cap, but I'll dump some shlump if you're interested...

[durantjerry]

Trades are fun, but a lack of trading should be the norm. It's just tough to get a trade that legitimately helps both squads and have the salary cap work. To trade before waivers, you really need for two teams to miss on players they wanted and have those players be good enough to be coveted by another team in a different situation and where they don't feel they will have a better alternative in waivers. Of course, there are always cases where someone has an extra SS, etc, but for the most part, a good trade where both sides are happy is somewhat difficult to put together.

[durantjerry]

Also, with the high firepower available in 2007, there are usually replacements who are close to what you want, and if someone gets a good pitcher they will likely want to hold onto him.