thoughts on this rotation - update - on to the finals

Postby OdysseyTigger » Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:46 am

Second complete game shutout for Pete in the Semis and the Refugees move on. So far, so good.

Pete/Babe combined 26 innings - 1ER.



Have a similar concept team in Polo

http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=74426

Didn't get Pete so have Brown instead

won 100 in regular season then swept semis so game five starter wasn't a factor. Meeting Petrosian in the finals.
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Postby GREGKOESTER » Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:55 am

Everytime I've used Koufax, He was a bust. Pete has even managed to carry a poor team to the playoffs. When it comes to lefty pitching, give me McNally, Blue, Knepper, Carlton, Grove, Ford, Pollet, or Pfeister over Koufax, anytime. I also don't like it that Sandy doesn't relieve. Just something about it.
But I'm not a stat manager. Quote stats all you want and it makes no difference to me. I know pretty much what works and what doesn't for me and Sandy doesn't work. I'd venture to guess I've had as many if not more diverse teams as anybody here. Ed Bazo can probably confirm that. Anybody who wants to look only has to ask and I'll give them my password.
Petrosian builds a very good team. GK builds a very good team. I think GK's way is a lot easier for one to emmulate. More of a sure thing to duplicate. Sometimes I don't see rhyme or reason to Petrosians' but they win. The same could be said for some of mine.
Just my humble opinion.
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Postby Cubs48 » Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:03 pm

OT....we need your lottery state pick for the Dream Team Theme over in Individual league chat... :)
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Postby gkhd11a » Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:17 pm

OT if you win the lottery for a dream team it would be interesting to see how the Pete/Babe holds up in a vet league when you could select all the field players to best fit. Normally you couldn't get the field players you got in the autodraft leagues and the other teams are also tougher so I think making the playoffs could be iffy. But once there you would be very hard to beat. I have seen you try this in one vet league so far and it has not worked out yet, not getting the best of field players and better overall teams hurts the win %, if this team were to make the playoffs it would be very strong with the 3 semi starts by Pete and Babe:

http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=81906

Have you tried it in other vet leagues?
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Postby The Last Druid » Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:45 pm

Well, well OT. We meet again. I haven't spent any time on your team, until now. With Nev and Frank in my division, I kind of had my hands full fending them off.

Congrats on a fine team. In particular Wera/Nettles worked out very well. Anytime you can get that kind of production for under 2M, you're in good shape. Not to mention your two aces finishing first and second in the Cy Young and Mantle winning the MVP.

Looks like during the regular season we were 6-6 head to head. I did manage to go 2-1 vs Brown and I think 1-1 vs Adams. I think that Speer was my nemesis. I'd have to say you are the favorite in the finals with your big two pitchers and the fact that Merritt and Bennett, somewhat useful in my division, are useless except as spot relievers against your team.

My best chance is to hope for your injury prone players to get hurt. :roll:

Grindi. Except for my Dunn and Yankee 56 teams which are formulaic, most of my squads aren't. Yet there are definitely patterns to the guys I use. They may not rhyme but there is always a reason. :) Same with Nev. His patterns are crystal clear to me, as I suspect mine are to him. But I do think that, after Frank Bailey, who really is hard to emulate since he uses such a wide variety of players, you would have to play in a lot of leagues with me to be able to replicate my teams.
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Postby OdysseyTigger » Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:58 pm

[quote:a34d806c04="gkhd11a"]OT if you win the lottery for a dream team it would be interesting to see how the Pete/Babe holds up in a vet league when you could select all the field players to best fit. Normally you couldn't get the field players you got in the autodraft leagues and the other teams are also tougher so I think making the playoffs could be iffy. But once there you would be very hard to beat. I have seen you try this in one vet league so far and it has not worked out yet, not getting the best of field players and better overall teams hurts the win %, if this team were to make the playoffs it would be very strong with the 3 semi starts by Pete and Babe:

http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=81906

Have you tried it in other vet leagues?[/quote:a34d806c04]


The team you cite neither has strong field players nor adequate secondary pitching - AND its playing in Polo. Frankly, I outsmarted myself, misjudged where the other managers would be going and picked the wrong stadium for the league. The concept of someone moving Nettles and Wera up on their list because they expected me to be playing in Polo is baffling. (Not the Nettles and Wera part, but the Polo part :) ) I also was unavailable in the days up to the league start and was not able to finalize my roster until the day after the season began. So I kind of shot myself in the foot there. Wrong league to do that in. :)

The league I'm in against Petrosian would have to be considered a vet league given the managers that populated it That team is bit better put together and frankly shocked me by how well it did. But again, that is a Polo team.

This was strategy conceptualized for Griffith and it seemed to do well there. The genesis came from our discussion of 5 man rotations in the playoffs and a disagreement about whether 2 studs were sufficient especially to get through the Semis. I sought to address that issue in a less expensive manner by matching Pete instead of Reulbach with Babe.

Fair enough in concept, but a real bitch to execute in practice.
It took me about 10 tries before I got the setup close enough to what I wanted to test it. The other teams I simply reconfigured.

I have since moved on to trying a Clemens/Scott/Hughson led rotation across a few leagues (again having varied results) before going back to the well with a $40million plus staff.
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Postby OdysseyTigger » Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:05 pm

Petro

Not trying to lull my players into a false sense of security are you? :)
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Postby OdysseyTigger » Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:40 pm

Charlie

http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/atg2/team/team_other.html?user_id=71186

here's a prior attempt in Griffith that did not fare so well. part of the impetus to want to go with all all three of Speer/Frock/Rommel to better arm the everyday lineup

While I wasn't predicting 90 + wins, I was rather fuddled that this bunch didn't really challenge even for .500. That ERA was way over my target here.
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