Anyone have the Fielding Probabilty Stats?

Anyone have the Fielding Probabilty Stats?

Postby fredpaii » Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:38 pm

They're all about the player defense ratings and how they correspond to numerical values ranging from approximately .5 to around 3 I guess.

Does anyone know what the heck I'm referring to? If so, please furnish a link to it? Thank you!
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Postby Ninersphan » Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:38 am

You mean these?

[url]http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/btf/pages/basesim/stratfldg.htm[/url]
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Postby bleacher_creature » Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:45 am

[quote:bdba74d2fb="Ninersphan"]You mean these?

[url]http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/btf/pages/basesim/stratfldg.htm[/url][/quote:bdba74d2fb]

Consider that a 2B that is 3e17 becomes a 4e17 with the runner held (as in any * runners), and a RHB at the plate. This is (of course) because Strat accounts for the fact that this man has to cover 2nd if the runner goes.

The 1B drops too. So with speed on base, your 4e21 becomes a 5e21.
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Postby Mean Dean » Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:30 pm

I suggest you use [url=http://silenceisdefeat.org/~meandean/som/OffensevsDefenseinSOM.zip]my article[/url], which expresses the answer in terms of actual runs, instead of... whatever the hell that is.
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YES!

Postby fredpaii » Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:36 pm

[quote:2e39544ff5="Ninersphan"]You mean these?

[url]http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/btf/pages/basesim/stratfldg.htm[/url][/quote:2e39544ff5]

That's exactly what I meant. Thank you
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Postby fredpaii » Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:39 pm

[quote:3d2b8cdd37="DeanTSC"]I suggest you use [url=http://silenceisdefeat.org/~meandean/som/OffensevsDefenseinSOM.zip]my article[/url], which expresses the answer in terms of actual runs, instead of... whatever the hell that is.[/quote:3d2b8cdd37]

I don't possess the necessary software to read that. Anyway to read your stuff without the software?
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Postby fredpaii » Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:41 pm

[quote:9f05e778a2="bleacher_creature"][quote:9f05e778a2="Ninersphan"]You mean these?

[url]http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/btf/pages/basesim/stratfldg.htm[/url][/quote:9f05e778a2]

Consider that a 2B that is 3e17 becomes a 4e17 with the runner held (as in any * runners), and a RHB at the plate. This is (of course) because Strat accounts for the fact that this man has to cover 2nd if the runner goes.

The 1B drops too. So with speed on base, your 4e21 becomes a 5e21.[/quote:9f05e778a2]

Good to know. thanks
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Postby Mean Dean » Sat Feb 09, 2008 12:56 pm

You don't have Winzip, or you don't have Word?
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Postby fredpaii » Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:22 am

[quote:9a613e5fe6="DeanTSC"]You don't have Winzip, or you don't have Word?[/quote:9a613e5fe6]

Neither are working for me. I probably need to take a class on computers to figure this stuff out.
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Postby Mean Dean » Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:36 pm

[b:1a59625118]derfs[/b:1a59625118]: A free unzip program is [url=http://www.altools.com/image/ALZip.exe]ALZip[/url]. Inside the ZIP file, you will find a Microsoft Word document, and a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet. To look at those, I would personally suggest you download [url=http://openoffice.org]OpenOffice[/url]. If you prefer, you can get Microsoft's [url=http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=3657ce88-7cfa-457a-9aec-f4f827f20cac&DisplayLang=en]Word Viewer[/url] and [url=http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=1cd6acf9-ce06-4e1c-8dcf-f33f669dbc3a&displaylang=en]Excel Viewer[/url] instead. (Note that you don't have to look at the Excel file unless you want to "play along" with the calculations and see where they come from. In fact, if all you're interested in is the end result that tells you how to figure out a player's offensive and defensive worth, all you need are the last two pages of the Word document.)

I will try to get it into a more easily viewable form in the future. I am working on revising the actual content of the article, so I'm not going to concentrate on that right now.

[b:1a59625118]quirks[/b:1a59625118]: I don't think that other chart is a useful way to rate players, for the exact reason you point out; knowing "H+E" and "TB" still does not give you an answer in terms of runs or wins, which, ultimately, is the form you need the answer to be in. The exact answer to your question can be figured out by using the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_expectation]Pythagorean expectation[/url], or even better, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagenpat]Pythagenpat[/url]. But as a general rule of thumb, it's going to be about 10 additional runs for each one additional win.
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