When someone ruins a league

[bomp helium]

funny thing, bad/evil/stupid GMs are not limited to online baseball...even the real world is infested with these creatures...for a stunning example, click on CIN in the 2005 "Searh for Players" box...you will see a most interesting real-life pitching staff...

Paul Wilson is the "ace" at 1.49M...no one else is over a million...

looks like a tanker to me!

unfortunately, we can't really intervene when someone throws their $25 bucks in the toilet...anymore than Selig can force Cincinatti to have a real pitching staff...that's just life, democracy and all that...like needle1 suggested, keep the name in mind and try and join his division when you see the chance...at that point you will become quite fond of strange people and their quirky habits...

[cwostevec]

bump

[Jerlins]

I've been in a league or two where this has happened as well, and while it hasn't cost me a playoff spot yet, I tend to remember the player and do my best to avoid any league they join, even if they would be in my division. I would get more enjoyment in winning a competitive league than one where I would have an advantage due to one's irresponsible and senseless dumping. The only solution is to avoid the player.

[Play By The Rules]

I'm sorry this is happening to you. Of course when it's happened to me in the past and I've spoken out, I was the bad guy. You are correct about the Wild Card and home field advantage thing.

This is actually why (IMO) I look for a lot of guys with high manager ratings in a league I want to join. A lot of the time it's just rookies who don't know any better, and even though the competition might be a bit stiffer with vets (the manager ratings have little to do with skill, though) in the long run I think it's worth it.

[ROBERTVOZZA]

and exclusively with players I know already and recommendations by players I know. Most of the 70 Leagues I have played in have been fine, but I have been in 3 stinkers that were literal nightmares. They cause you to really not even want to play at all.

Tersignf makes a good point. This never occurs in Vet leagues with established players.

BTW, PBTR - there are 2 spots left in the Last LOTO LEAGUE of 05'. Wanna take one of them? It is called LOTO 05' Consolation League...PT me if you'd like the PW, Thanks, Robert

[ROBERTVOZZA]

I think you had expressed interest earlier on. SWP

[rgimbel]

can we get a link to the team so we can avoid playing with him in the future

[bigmahon]

[quote:b493bd5cfa]BTW, PBTR - there are 2 spots left in the Last LOTO LEAGUE of 05'. Wanna take one of them?[/quote:b493bd5cfa]

Only one left PBTR! I'd love to have you in my division! :D

[PAULMINICUCCI]

It is interesting to see the responses to this issue, one seems to be this is so unfortunate that it is causing distress to the whole league and somethng should be done to stop it; one is join a private league (this is); another is you can't stop people from doing stupid things- just play through it; while a fourth is "look take advantage of this guy and join his division, use whatever as a competitive advantage."

I generally subscribe to the "It's America, people have a right to be stupid" theory. However, I don't think this falls into that category. I do not think this is someone being "stupid" i.e. he does not realize what he is doing. I think he does. For one he offered some very strange trades to many players and got irritated when I didn't want to trade my best performing players (and man are they few here) for a mangerie of crap.

So, I think the purpose of this "tanking" is misery loves company. If I cannot enjoy this game neither can you.

I will repeat some things and then shut up.

1. This isn't an ace with a 1.59 mil salary. I have seen teams do passably well with that in fact, this is every player is at the minimum and $67 million in salary unspent if memory serves me correctly.

2. I have looked at the record book and been in 14 leagues or so, no one has listed a team with more than 109 losses, probably there is one, but this guy could lose 130. I have never seen a team that lost more than 14 games in a row. I think this guy had 45 in a row.

3. The league could do some things, it could require a minimum expenditure of $5 million for the prescribed 5 starting pitchers. It could simply code that in and say "sorry you must have pitchers totaling no less than 5 million." I have never seen a team where that wasn't true.

4. This is like collusion in a sense where an owner is not playing but manipulating the game. The league could have a rule that says in a private league whenever 11 teams feel that unsportsmanlike conduct is manifest that the league steps in and takes over.

As I mentioned I play this jerk the least of anyone (unbalanced schedule) and I played him three times (he beat me twice) before the collapse, so in that sense it is a bad deal personally, but I would not complain if it was only my misfortune.

5. Finally, I think the league should either a. stop this guy from playing again or b. allow players in a private league to deny him entry.

In the end I think we all will have to just play through it and make the best of it.

[ROBERTVOZZA]

have you aboard. Hopefully one of the other guys - PBTR, Riggo or Jerlins will close it out and we'll draft tonite. :) Robert