HAL: E1 doesn't = ER

HAL: E1 doesn't = ER

Postby ClowntimeIsOver » Tue May 27, 2008 2:56 am

opposing batters:

*** BOTTOM OF INNING 5 ***
0 R.Reynolds 3 Triple (CF) b-3
0 3 K.Mitchell 6 1 Base Error - P 3-H b-1 gb(P)x
0 1 P.Tabler 3 Single (CF) 1-2 b-1
0 12 G.Ward 3 Ground Out (SS) Double Play 2-3 1-o b-0
2 3 T.Raines 3 Ground Out (P) b-0


my pitcher's line:

Existentialists IP H R ER BB SO HR PC ERA
C.Young LOSS(6-5) 8 7 4 4 1 7 1 153 4.08
Totals 8 7 4 4 1 7 1

Fix this, Bernie!
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Postby doctrcpa » Tue May 27, 2008 4:26 am

Even if the pitcher doesn't commit an error, the runner would have scored when the next batter singled. I think that is why it was an earned run.
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Postby caseybats » Tue May 27, 2008 12:45 pm

Nothing to fix. Its an Earned Run.

Official Rules: Rule 10.16

10.16 Earned Runs And Runs Allowed

An earned run is a run for which a pitcher is held accountable. In determining earned runs, the official scorer shall reconstruct the inning without the errors (which exclude catcher's interference) and passed balls, giving the benefit of the doubt always to the pitcher in determining which bases would have been reached by runners had there been errorless play. For the purpose of determining earned runs, an intentional base on balls, regardless of the circumstances, shall be construed in exactly the same manner as any other base on balls.
(a) The official scorer shall charge an earned run against a pitcher every time a runner reaches home base by the aid of safe hits, sacrifice bunts, a sacrifice fly, stolen bases, putouts, fielder's choices, bases on balls, hit batters, balks or wild pitches (including a wild pitch on third strike that permits a batter to reach first base) before fielding chances have been offered to put out the offensive team. For the purpose of this rule, a defensive interference penalty shall be construed as a fielding chance. A wild pitch is solely the pitcher's fault and shall contribute to an earned run just as a base on balls or a balk.
(b) No run shall be earned when scored by a runner who reaches first base
(1) on a hit or otherwise after his time at bat is prolonged by a muffed foul fly;
(2) because of interference or obstruction; or
(3) because of any fielding error.
(c) No run shall be earned when scored by a runner whose presence on the bases is prolonged by an error, if such runner would have been put out by errorless play.
(d) No run shall be earned when the scoring runner's advance has been aided by an error, a passed ball or defensive interference or obstruction, if in the official scorer’s judgment the run would not have scored without the aid of such misplay.
(e) An error by a pitcher is treated exactly the same as an error by any other fielder in computing earned runs.
(f) Whenever a fielding error occurs, the pitcher shall be given the benefit of the doubt in determining to which bases any runners would have advanced had the fielding of the defensive team been errorless.
(g) When pitchers are changed during an inning, the official scorer shall not charge the relief pitcher with any run (earned or unearned) scored by a runner who was on base at the time such relief pitcher entered the game, nor for runs scored by any runner who reaches base on a fielder's choice that puts out a runner left on base by any preceding pitcher.
h) A relief pitcher shall not be held accountable when the first batter to whom he pitches reaches first base on four called balls if such batter has a decided advantage in the ball and strike count when pitchers are changed.
(1) If, when pitchers are changed, the count is
2 balls, no strike,
2 balls, 1 strike,
3 balls, no strike,
3 balls, 1 strike,
3 balls, 2 strikes,
and the batter gets a base on balls, the official scorer shall charge that batter and the base on balls to the preceding pitcher, not to the relief pitcher.
(2) Any other action by such batter, such as reaching base on a hit, an error, a fielder's choice, a force-out, or being touched by a pitched ball, shall cause such a batter to be charged to the relief pitcher.
Rule 10.16(h) Comment: The provisions of Rule 10.16(h)(2) shall not be construed as affecting or conflicting with the provisions of Rule 10.16(g).
(3) If, when pitchers are changed, the count is
2 balls, 2 strikes,
1 ball, 2 strikes,
1 ball, 1 strike,
1 ball, no strike,
no ball, 2 strikes,
no ball, 1 strike,
the official scorer shall charge that batter and the actions of that batter to the relief pitcher.
(i) When pitchers are changed during an inning, the relief pitcher shall not have the benefit of previous chances for outs not accepted in determining earned runs.
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Postby caseybats » Tue May 27, 2008 12:54 pm

If Pat Tabler had come around to score then that run would have been unearned.

I have read boxscores very thoroughly in the few leagues I have played and I am very impressed with the "official scorer"

The engine sports a very good application of the rule book.
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