H. Ramirez or O. Cabrera in Citizens?

[robwrjr]

Will the offense and speed offset the poor D? Or should I go with great D and above avg. speed?

[Stoney18]

It's been done before but I personally cannot play a 4 at SS if I have a choice. I'd go Ocab and keep Hanley for a DH.

[robwrjr]

No DH. Plus, there is another Citizens in my division. It would need to be one or the other.

Actually, I have 3 options in Citizens, Cabrera, Tut, or Hanley Ramirez.

[Stoney18]

Here's an article about offense vs defense and how to compare them. I'm not strong on the math part but if Tut is Tulowitzki then it seems like he gives a good balance between D and O.


[url]http://web.archive.org/web/20010602070424/http://www.inconnect.com/~dcmadsen/index.html[/url]

[robwrjr]

Went through the math from that site... In a neutral park, Cabrera has them both beat (Ramirez by far and Tut, barely). In Citizens, Tut has the edge, and it is close w/Ramirez/Cabrera due to the # of BP HRs.

Add the baserunning (which the author does not) and the fact that Ramirez would bat leadoff and get more opportunities, it is a tough decision.

[elpasopesos]

Lets say you get around 6000 PA per year against your pitchers that is 3000 rolls on your cards. There are 6 SSx chances out of 108 chances on a pitchers card. You will roll 166 SSX per year (once per game on average) a 1 e 12 will provide about 150 extra GBA's maybe more may be less a 4 e 27 will allow maybe 30 errors and add another 50 hits against your pitchers and provide only a handful of GBA. I think it is suicide to play a 4 e 27 at short.

[Rant]

Depends a bit on your needs. OCab is my choice due to his significantly better defense, but Tulo can be a good pick. You can try Hanley at ss but the Bank is relatively hard to hit singles in, while being easy to homer. I'd rather have a bunch of guys hitting solo shots personally.

Remember two other factors in OCab vs. Tulo: 1. You'll see more righthanded pitchers, sometimes 3x more, that mitigates Tulo's punch slightly; but 2. OCab has a w versus righties, knocking down some of his big fly potential in a homer park.

[MFL536]

for what it is worth trhu 93 games Ramirez has these numbers at ss for me
hr's 18 rbi's 46 .288 avg 28 sb's and only 6 errors
I use Vizquel as a late inning def rep with lead
100mm league so I can afford to do that

[keyzick]

Only 6 errors, but have you been checking the daily's to see how many singles have resulted from a gbSS(x) to him?

[MFL536]

seems to average 1-2 for me but I don't check it every day I just like his offense power extra base hits and sb's