Draft Everyone 80s Keeper League -- Rules discussion/P3s

[CHADGUMM]

If we really wanted to get in-depth, we could all be assigned a salary cap (i.e., $100M) that we all need to spread out to each player on our team with an X number of years (maybe max 3 seasons). Then when that player's "contract" is up, then others with free cap room can bid on that player as well.

Granted, that may be more in-depth than many are willing to do. Maybe that's another idea for a different theme league.

[BigAlric]

1. Seanreflex - NH
2. YountFan - WI
3. Sykes - NJ
4. Mav - CA
5. BC - Ontario
6. bjs73 - IN
7. BigAlric - DE

[rutkap]

Sounds like a great Idea for a league. - wish I signed up. I think you are making it too hard to track everything. I think that there will be a lot of chances to make trades between seasons as well as when an injury or something reveals a bad card with no options on your 56 mand roster.

If you insist, he waivers idea sounds like a great Idea, just make it much simpler. If someone cuts a player, he is subject to waivers, If someone claims him, he is entitled to replace that player with a player on the claiming team's inactive list that has a LOWER salary than the claimed player.

the point of this league in my opinion is to have a stable roster of players to use from season to season.

[bjs73]

[quote:008d6b8a5b]If someone claims him, he is entitled to replace that player with a player on the claiming team's inactive list that has a LOWER salary than the claimed player.[/quote:008d6b8a5b]

I originally was going to say that but then I tried to imagine all of the possiblities that could exist. Let's take the same Brett drop scenario:

Let's say that I am in last place and a wild card contender drops Brett's worst year after failed attempts at trading him. He's hoping Brett gets through waivers though.

Let's also say that I have Orel Hershiser's worst card on a last place team that is sporting 11 active pitchers. I could literally take Brett (assuming I have the cash) by dropping Hershiser. The dropping manager by rights should have first option at Hershiser before he goes through waivers. Well, [i:008d6b8a5b]without[/i:008d6b8a5b] the 10% rule, he wouldn't be able to compensate with Hershiser for next season's roster because Brett is lower in salary than Hershiser.

And if worse comes to worse, if no one else could stake a claim on Hershiser during waivers, I could end up with both Hershiser [i:008d6b8a5b]and[/i:008d6b8a5b] Brett on my roster for a very long time. Of course all of that depends on the league conditions, when the drop was made, and who was in a position to take advantage.

Problem is the 10% rule doesn't cover Clemens in that same scenario.

The other problem is that other studs like Guerrero couldn't ever come close to matching up with the mismatch in salaries of the top tier pitching studs.

The other side of the coin without salary conditions... is that if he was to drop Rick Burleson, I shouldn't have to pay compensation of losing Fred Lynn if I didn't have him on my active roster.

I wanted to give it a bonus (maybe even 20%?) vs. less because I wanted people to really think about staking a claim on a player going through waivers and how it could effect the overall look of his franchise in future seasons. Makes for some real gut checking at the time.

So there are some minor issues that would need tweaking and refining but if people like the idea, I'm sure we could hammer out some better details.

[albert2b]

1. Seanreflex - NH
2. YountFan - WI
3. Sykes - NJ
4. Mav - CA
5. BC - Ontario
6. bjs73 - IN
7. albert2b - NY

[YountFan]

I [b:f632a1df8d]HATE[/b:f632a1df8d] bjs' KICKER. If someone wants to drop Brett why should I PAY him for his garbage. If they want something for Brett then TRADE him. In baseball if I release a player they are released. They an not free agents with compensation. Don't drop people you want to keep.

One problem with this league, and it is the thing that keeps the decade league interesting, is there will be no influx of new players. No need to wait to get better. One solution is could be a modified drop rule where dropped players cannot be picked up at all, but go into a draft the following season. Drop Brett, Ok, but noone can pick him up, but you may lose him in the next pre-season draft,

[IM Bacchus]

1. Seanreflex - NH
2. YountFan - WI
3. Sykes - NJ
4. Mav - CA
5. BC - Ontario
6. bjs73 - IN
7. albert2b - NY
8. IM Bacchus- Quebec

Random Thoughts:

40 man rosters may be a more managable format long-term.

What about $$$ limits and total roster limits? Can someone make 3-1 ones galore?

A cut on TSN is not an actual cut but a move between the major and minor league roster.

Options- The number of options go in reverse order of cost. Players costing $1M and under get 10 options, Players over 10M get 1 option before having to clear waivers. Waivers run inverse of current team records.

I would prefer that we select a single unique ballpark and that we be allowed to blow up our parks once every say 4 years.

IMB

[bjs73]

[quote:27936fbc6a]In baseball if I release a player they are released. They an not free agents with compensation. Don't drop people you want to keep.[/quote:27936fbc6a]

I tried to base it a little bit on the rule from MLB where if a franchise fails to negotiate a contract with a player at the end of his final year, and in turn, that player becomes a free agent and signs with a different team, then the original franchise [i:27936fbc6a]is[/i:27936fbc6a] compensated with extra draft picks for their loss.

Also, players placed on waivers after the trade deadline in MLB are basically getting traded to another franchise. There are always players on the other side that move between franchises during a waiver period transacation. I was just trying to find a way to mimick it to a certain extent.

But I agree with you that players that are given their unconditional [i:27936fbc6a]release[/i:27936fbc6a] does not give a franchise an opportunity to compensate for the loss.

But that's the big difference between what I am describing as "waivers" and what you are describing as an "unconditional release."

[quote:27936fbc6a] If someone wants to drop Brett why should I PAY him for his garbage.[/quote:27936fbc6a]

It all goes back to checks and balances. If you're the last place team and Brett's worst card pops up on the radar on waivers, it wouldn't necessarily help you now but he'd be there next season for you and perhaps forever after that. The balance is whether or not you can afford to make that move based on what you stand to lose on the deal.

[quote:27936fbc6a]If they want something for Brett then TRADE him. Don't drop people you want to keep.[/quote:27936fbc6a]

Totally agree that trading should be the first alternative and probably would be in this format anyhow.

But that leads me back to Sykes' comment/concern on not being able to improve your franchise during the season. What's the point of having both Doug Decinces and George Brett on your full roster when you risk losing Brett unconditionally by bringing up Decinces? Basically it is a stalemate. You either trade Brett or you are roadblocked from being able to improve the ballclub to stay competitive. So then you're out of the race until the next season when the cards are randomized again.

At least with the waivers format, there is an opportunity to retain your player by getting through the entire waivers process, and still make an improvement for this season. And if someone decides that Brett is too good to pass up on waivers this season (even in his worst year), then the kicker would be that you get a pick (or 2) from that person's inactive squad to help maintain league integrity.

The problems that I've experienced in keeper leagues on the internet is that in a matter of 2-4 seasons a league can be totally ruined by one or two managers that sell out their franchise unless there is some type of checks and balance system in place that really works.

Without the checks and balances, there stands a very good chance that 2 or 3 teams will end up being very powerful, the rest would be very average, and 1 or 2 teams would end up being pretty pathetic. And when it gets to that point, the league basically disapates.

Believe me, I'm not trying to say that the ideas that I've got are perfect. There are flaws.

In fact, I like Mav's idea about free agent contracts and salary caps as well.

I just think it's in the best interest of league longevity to be able to find a way to create some type of checks and balance system without hindering a team's need to make improvments in mid-season.

[the icemen]

1. Seanreflex - NH
2. YountFan - WI
3. Sykes - NJ
4. Mav - CA
5. BC - Ontario
6. bjs73 - IN
7. albert2b - NY
8. IM Bacchus- Quebec
9. Iceman - PA

[IM Bacchus]

I've been thinking overnight about the time commitment that this league is going to require on my part. I have come to the realization that as great as I think the league will be, I simply don't have the proper amount of time required to do it right. Please go ahead and slide the first alternate- Jablowmi into my spot. Best of luck everyone, I'm sure this league will be a blast.
IMB